Terminator Dark Fate Review (no spoilers)

Zardnaar

Legend
Last night we went out for dinner right beside the movie theatre. So we decided to go see it and got drunk afterwards.

Probably should have got drunk first.

So this movie is being called the best Terminator movie since T2. I'm a fan of T3 and thought that one was better but it's better than Salvation and Genysis.

It's not a disaster in terms of being entertaining. Looks like it's going to bomb.

The main negative to this movie IMHO us bad CGI. What you saw in the trailers is what you see in the movie. T3 used more practical effects less cgi. It similar in quality to T3 imho, I prefer T3 ymmv.

Linda Hamilton and Arnie are back and do a decent job and Arnie gets some great one liners. MacKenzie Davies as Grace is also very good.

The character of Dani is completely miscast. She's not a convincing actor and they try to shoe horn her into a new Sarah Connor but she short, lacks the screen presence and her lines fall flat more than a few times. Also overshadowed by Linda and MacKenzie Davis.

Gabrial Luna as the Rev9 also falls a bit flat. He's not scary as the Rev9, to much CGI is used. He lacks the physicality of Arnie in T1&2, and the nuance of Robert Patrick. The Rev9 isn't even as interesting as the Terminatrix in T3. Due to bad CGI his character had that weightless feel in to many scenes.

And some very massive plot holes.

On a positive note not all the CGI is bad and the effects used to de age some characters are amazing. Arnie's characters gets in a few jokes but it never crossed the line into self parody that T3 did. The 30 or so people watching it got a few chuckles.

The action scenes are basically dumb fun entertainment but better than the Michael Bey school of explosions approach.

In addition to being great Grace manages to overshadow Sarah Connor. She's very good.

Complete rehash though and they lifted a few concepts from T3 and Salvation and the TV show. It's not great but not terrible.
 
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Mercurius

Legend
I have no officially only seen one-third of Terminator movies...just the first two. I just find the premise somewhat worn out and formulaic. I mean, how many variations on the same basic plot can there be? But I mention this less to bag on someone else's fun, and more just to remark on my surprise that I haven't see a new Terminator film since T2 came about, 28 years ago.

Feeling old.

p.s. Mackenzie Davis is one of my favorite young actors - she was especially great in Tully and Izzy Gets the F*ck Across Town, but also in secondary roles like What If and Bladerunner 2049. She just stands out in whatever she's in.
 

Arnie's characters gets in a few jokes but it never crossed the line into self parody that T3 did.

I saw T3 when it came out and after when I left the theater I thought Ive seen comedies that werent that funny. I was thinking of seeing this but think I'll pass, at least until PPV.
 


DF is between T2 and T3 in terms of comedy.
IIRC, theres was next to no comedy in T1 which is why they probably shouldve just stopped there. I cant remember the last time I saw good original movie. Joker was crap. Everything is either a remake, reboot or reimagining.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
IIRC, theres was next to no comedy in T1 which is why they probably shouldve just stopped there. I cant remember the last time I saw good original movie. Joker was crap. Everything is either a remake, reboot or reimagining.

T1 had horror elements. The nuclear war thing was probably more relevent when the USSR was around.

You really notice the tonal differences when you watch them now.
 

T1 had horror elements. The nuclear war thing was probably more relevent when the USSR was around.

You really notice the tonal differences when you watch them now.

Id say the nuclear war premise is more relevant more now than then. Back then it was beat into our heads, with movies like the Day After. With North Korea testing missiles now and not mention that when the USSR fell alot of nuclear. Weapons went missing and have never been accounted for. I wouldnt be surprised if a small scale nuclear war happens sooner than later.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Id say the nuclear war premise is more relevant more now than then. Back then it was beat into our heads, with movies like the Day After. With North Korea testing missiles now and not mention that when the USSR fell alot of nuclear. Weapons went missing and have never been accounted for. I wouldnt be surprised if a small scale nuclear war happens sooner than later.

Maybe it doesn't have the same cultural impact though.
 

Did you laugh at Arnie?
Only at the sense of humor comment
Id say the nuclear war premise is more relevant more now than then. Back then it was beat into our heads, with movies like the Day After. With North Korea testing missiles now and not mention that when the USSR fell alot of nuclear. Weapons went missing and have never been accounted for. I wouldnt be surprised if a small scale nuclear war happens sooner than later.
Maybe it doesn't have the same cultural impact though.

As someone who dabbles in Cold War History and Nuclear War, the premise of an all out intentional war between the East and West at the time of the original Terminator's release year '84 was very very likely*
and in the for front of a number of folks' concerns. The Day After had just been on tv the year before. A month before Terminator, Threads** had just been on tv in the UK. Red Dawn two months before.

Culturally, Nuclear war with Russia isn't really a high point anymore,it's more of NK launches a nuke or a stolen/dirty bomb goes off in a major city.

But Terminator 1 is more horror than sci-fi,just switch robot killer to masked killer. (Jason,Haloween etc) And considering James Cameron originally based the movie on a nightmare he had of a robot skeleton emerging from a fiery explosion and coming after him.

*likely to the point of almost happening twice in '83

** It's on youtube, not for the faint of heart
 

I saw T3 in theaters, and it was entertaining, but certainly not good. Any Terminator flick after T2 has T2's magnificent shadow lurking over it, because T2 is one of the greatest action movies and one of the greatest sequels ever made.

Seeing the trailer for Dark Fate does not make me want to go to the theater. Bringing Arnold back feels incredibly contrived, especially after the death of his character at the end of T2. Seeing an old Landa Hamilton in action scenes just seems kind of silly as well. Don't get me wrong, her character in T2 was one of the best action ladies in film history. But seeing an old woman fire a rocket launcher without breaking her arm, just stretches credibility to a ludicrous degree.

There's also the problem that a lot of the premise of Terminator just doesn't make much sense in the world of today, as it did back when T2 came out. Maybe it is time to move on? This franchise is dead. Maybe leave it buried?
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I saw T3 in theaters, and it was entertaining, but certainly not good. Any Terminator flick after T2 has T2's magnificent shadow lurking over it, because T2 is one of the greatest action movies and one of the greatest sequels ever made.

Seeing the trailer for Dark Fate does not make me want to go to the theater. Bringing Arnold back feels incredibly contrived, especially after the death of his character at the end of T2. Seeing an old Landa Hamilton in action scenes just seems kind of silly as well. Don't get me wrong, her character in T2 was one of the best action ladies in film history. But seeing an old woman fire a rocket launcher without breaking her arm, just stretches credibility to a ludicrous degree.

There's also the problem that a lot of the premise of Terminator just doesn't make much sense in the world of today, as it did back when T2 came out. Maybe it is time to move on? This franchise is dead. Maybe leave it buried?

Probably buried.

The only place I can think a new trilogy can really go is the future war.

1st one judgement day 1st 5 minutes, graphic nuclear explosions. Robots killing innocent etc R16, timejump to John Connor leading humans, t-800 battle scenes, dark, similar to scenes in T1/T2. Movie ends with Kyle Reese sent back maybe a scene with T-1000 prototype.

Second movie Skynets getting a bit smarter but still losing, T-1000 gets sent back in time, John blows Skynet to bits but Skynet downloads into T-800 chasis. Left over Terminators become free willed.

Last one future war is resolved one way or another it subvert expectations via a peace treaty or something. Main points being dark,gritty, violent, nuclear horror, no over the top new machines until maybe third movie. Tie them to T1&2 vs rehash.

Maybe go with T3s ending setting up the 1st movie.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
It's bombing at the box office. Most reviews put it as the third best Terminator film (after T1 and GT2). I'm going to see it tomorrow.
 

GreyLord

Legend
One of the complaints I've heard are about the changes to the history and such or the future.

However, as they changed the future in T2, wouldn't that mean that past also changes. Wouldn't that mean John Connor was no longer the absolute necessary chap as the past and future had changed? It could be someone else instead.

Same with Sarah Connor, as the past and future have changed, it would make sense that someone else would be the new "Sarah Connor" in regards to whatever future or past is occurring.

I suppose it depends on whether one feels time is more a thing where there are unchangeable events and characters that always have to do the thing time assigns them, or whether they feel time is malleable and can change completely.
 


BookBarbarian

Expert Long Rester
I haven't seen it yet but I read John Scalzi's review: Terminator: Dark Fate Review which makes me want to see it.

Also finding out Joe Abercrombie (one of my favorite authors writing today) is responsible for the idea of Grace (whom I've heard is the best part of the film) tips me towards seeing it too.
 



ccs

41st lv DM
Well, that was...... Unimpressive.

It wasn't suspenseful - like the original.
It wasn't funny - at all.
It had no wow factor as far as far as the FX - something Cameron's films usually deliver.
It wasn't entertaining.
It didn't even throw in a "surprise" & kill off Sarah, Dani, or both. :(

Plot holes? Yes. I will ignore them because it's a movie who's premise is time travel.

In the end all it was was a mediocre re-run of the original film with bits of the other installments spliced in (liquid metal/shape shifting termies, T-800 acting with the good guys, augmented humans).
At least in this regard it's better than that other recent marquis re-run: SW: TFA - it didn't turn into a parody of its original & piss all over the story/beloved original characters....



Oh, and the Rev9 being able to separate its skin & skeleton? It's not all that impressive.
The 1st time you're like "Huh. That's weird." But, after the first couple times you see the Rev9 reanimate &/or separate its liquid skin from its endo-skeleton (a trick it does alot), it gets pretty tedious.
And I was left wondering "Why doesn't the endo-skull have a top?".
 

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