log in or register to remove this ad

 

D&D General Thaco the angry clown... really?

Status
Not open for further replies.

log in or register to remove this ad

cbwjm

Hero
Do we need a poll to see how people pronounce Thac0? I've always pronounced it similar to Lanefan but apparently some pronounce it like Thay-co and then there's that one weird kid sitting in the corner of the classroom eating glue that pronounces it like thack-zero.
 


Hussar

Legend
As a long-time veteran of the game I've no issue at all with Thaco the Clown, and in fact think they missed an opportunity by not calling it "Thaco the Wacko" right out of the gate.
But Wacko isn't pronounced this way. :D

I have to admit, I'd never even heard of the whole "Thayco" thing until much, much later. Why would anyone make that a long A sound? That's not how English works. Unless, for some reason you pronounce is AY col lites. :erm:
 

Lakesidefantasy

Adventurer
But isn't that how English works? A vowel followed by a consonant and another vowel is long. Admittedly, I am honestly confused by English pronunciation and I'm a native speaker, but I thought that was a rule.

By the way, I pronounce it Thack-Oh.
 


Hussar

Legend
But isn't that how English works? A vowel followed by a consonant and another vowel is long. Admittedly, I am honestly confused by English pronunciation and I'm a native speaker, but I thought that was a rule.

By the way, I pronounce it Thack-Oh.
Not typically. Only the "e" does that usually (although, of course, there are exceptions. Even within this sentence. :D)

acolyte - is not pronounced with a long a. To be fair, I suppose, you do have acorn. But that is an exception. Acoustic, pharmacology, draconian. It's very much the exception for an "o" to make an earlier vowel long. And, since Thaco is an acronym, and the A is for Armor, I'm really not sure where the long A comes from.

(And, before anyone brings up USA - we don't say that one as a word - we pronounce the letters. Acronyms are pronounced as words, generally, when it makes sense. Although, thinking about it, NATO is pronounced with a long A. Sigh. :p)
 



But Wacko isn't pronounced this way. :D

I have to admit, I'd never even heard of the whole "Thayco" thing until much, much later. Why would anyone make that a long A sound? That's not how English works. Unless, for some reason you pronounce is AY col lites. :erm:

For the same reason that a .gif file doesn't sound like peanut butter, on account of the "g" standing for "graphics."

THAC0 stands for "to hit armor class zero," or in shorter terms, "to hit AC 0." Which you necessarily pronounce with a long a. "I roll to hit ay-see zero." I don't know anyone on this good green earth who's saying "æ-see," so the ash sound has no place in the pronunciation of "THAC0".

(And before some joker jumps in with the obvious: no, that doesn't justify softening the c to "thay-so." The zero can only be read as a back-vowel, which automatically velarizes the c.)
 
Last edited:


BRayne

Adventurer
For the same reason that a .gif file doesn't sound like peanut butter, on account of the "g" standing for "graphics."

THAC0 stands for "to hit armor class zero," or in shorter terms, "to hit AC 0." Which you necessarily pronounce with a long a. "I roll to hit ay-see zero." I don't know anyone on this good green earth who's saying "æ-see," so the ash sound has no place in the pronunciation of "THAC0".

(And before some joker jumps in with the obvious: no, that doesn't justify softening the c to "thay-so." The zero can only be read as a back-vowel, which automatically velarizes the c.)

but clearly the t and h are separate and it should be pronounced t'hay-so
 


J.Quondam

CR 1/8
For some reason, a lot of these variant pronunciations of "THAC0" sound to me like names of mummy lords.

edit: Here's a few from earlier in the thread, with minor mods in spelling:
  • Thak-Oh
  • Thak
  • Tuh-Hak-Nil
  • Thay-So
  • Thak-Not
  • T'Hay-Soh
  • Thakth
I think there's some good potential in that list!
 
Last edited:


Hussar

Legend
I see some folks saying THACO started in 2e which I did not play.

quick google searches say the abbreviation started in 1979?

I did play 1e and THACO was familiar to me…
I think it would be fair to say that THAC0 became more commonly used in 2e, although it was present in 1e.
 

cbwjm

Hero
I see some folks saying THACO started in 2e which I did not play.

quick google searches say the abbreviation started in 1979?

I did play 1e and THACO was familiar to me…
I believe it had shown up by the end of 1e, I think there were some modules or something which used the abbreviation. I'm sure people know of more examples, but it was definitely adopted as the standard by 2e to make it associated primarily with that edition.

I first encountered the term in the BECMI rules cyclopedia which I'm fairly certain was released alongside 2e which might be why it included it and although I think I first used the attack tables, this was quite quickly dropped in favour of Thac0.
 

Lakesidefantasy

Adventurer
Not typically. Only the "e" does that usually (although, of course, there are exceptions. Even within this sentence. :D)

acolyte - is not pronounced with a long a. To be fair, I suppose, you do have acorn. But that is an exception. Acoustic, pharmacology, draconian. It's very much the exception for an "o" to make an earlier vowel long. And, since Thaco is an acronym, and the A is for Armor, I'm really not sure where the long A comes from.

(And, before anyone brings up USA - we don't say that one as a word - we pronounce the letters. Acronyms are pronounced as words, generally, when it makes sense. Although, thinking about it, NATO is pronounced with a long A. Sigh. :p)
Whaaaaaaat?! You talkin' about Willis? It's not pronounced Dray-conian. Not even just a little bit?

Great, now I have to go back and reread everything I've ever read.

And you're just talking about the letter o. Are there different rules for each vowel. Or is it less about 'rules' than it is about general patterns and observations.

Maybe this is why I suck at spelling so badly. Well anyway, my wife is a fourth grade spelling bee champion, she has no idea what THAC0 is, and she pronounces it Thack-Oh. As in, "Please quit asking me how to pronounce THAC0 or I'm going to scream."
 

Mod Note:
This is an abuse of the concept of punching up and down. It is like saying Statler and Waldorf are "punching up" at Fozzie Bear because they don't have influence over the content of Fozzie's act. No, they are economically, socially (an indeed physically) above Fozzie, and are punching down at the lovable Muppet.

The terms are largely intended in terms of general sociopolitical and economic context. Those "gatekeeping grogs" are not, in general, disadvantaged with respect to the game designers.

Please don't abuse the terminology in this way - doing so obfuscates real issues.
But Statler and Waldorf are right - Fozzie's jokes do suck. So isn't your example also confusing?

Yeah, I know, challenging moderation. I'll show myself out...
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
(And, before anyone brings up USA - we don't say that one as a word - we pronounce the letters. Acronyms are pronounced as words, generally, when it makes sense. Although, thinking about it, NATO is pronounced with a long A. Sigh. :p)
Well, NATO's pronunciation could be based on the word "Nation". But not on the word "National", I suppose...
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Level Up!

An Advertisement

Advertisement4

Top