No, I'm not.Here's the problem: You're claiming sole ownership of a definiton
It's a phrase derived from comedy. It has a definition. The one I presented. It's not that I "own" it, just that I happen to know it because I spend an inordinate amount of time in that space. If you were to jump onto a comedy forum and spotted someone using a gaming term wrong, would you be "claiming sole ownership" or simply pointing people to the right definition.on a slang term that doesn't have an "official" definition in common parlance
And comedy.though it appears to in academic fields.
I'm not being combative. Are you?It's not necessary to be combative on this.
So rather than doing a comedy routine they're engaging in stochastic terrorism. Got it.Imagine you're a transperson in a comedy club.
Now the audience just spent the last 10 minutes laughing and cheering a comedian who made jokes about how transpeople aren't human, they're a danger to society, and they need to be murdered.
Do you think you might be worried about going to your car?
Not quite, but basically, yeah, it is.Being offended isn't 'they said a mean thing and now I'm sad'.
That's not being offended. That's being persecuted and afraid for your life after a stochastic terrorist attack. They're different things. Words have meanings. Don't muddle them up.It's 'I'm persecuted and afraid for my life and people who make these jokes having a platform and being supported on that platform is an indicator that my life is in danger. Also, the crowd has just been incited to violence against me."
This is what people mean by 'privilege'.
That's your privilege in assuming a whole lot of things about me that you really shouldn't.It's your privilege that you don't have that experience so you don't see the harm in jokes.
Jokes aren't harmful. They're jokes. If you define "joke" as stochastic terrorism, that's on you. Not the jokes.That's why people are 'offended' and aren't okay with people making harmful jokes.
Agreed. THAC0 the Clown is both hilarious an completely not-harmful.This, Thac0 the clown, this isn't it.
Your "right definition." For a term that's long since escaped comedy.It's a phrase derived from comedy. It has a definition. The one I presented. It's not that I "own" it, just that I happen to know it because I spend an inordinate amount of time in that space. If you were to jump onto a comedy forum and spotted someone using a gaming term wrong, would you be "claiming sole ownership" or simply pointing people to the right definition.
Maybe.I'm not being combative. Are you?
This, all of this!!!!!I think some people have a clear distaste and resentment for grogs. I hate that.
that said, I don’t think it’s WOTC for the most part. And after reading what Chris Perkins said about Easter eggs from older editions in Witchlight, I am pretty convinced THACO is just…a joke.
They also talk about Warduke and Kelek. As a former LJN action figure owner, I am similarly not feeling the hate, sorry.
it’s a joke/reference about an old game mechanic. It’s almost FOR older gamers not to persecute them.
The negative stuff is out there for sure. Just not thinking this is that.
Well, considering a group of them split off from the fanbase, twice, creating competing communities with OSR and Pathfinder, and had a definite hand in the failure of 4e, I'm not sure how you think they don't have power.So you think the old grogs are in a similar position of power (within this micro community) as the writers on staff at Wizards of the Coast? Okay. That's certainly a take. Can't imagine how you got there, but whatevs.
They probably kidnapped the Lindbergh baby too.Well, considering a group of them split off from the fanbase, twice, creating competing communities with OSR and Pathfinder, and had a definite hand in the failure of 4e, I'm not sure how you think they don't have power.
Good thing I never said they had no power. They clearly have less power than WotC. Since punching up or down is only about relative power, that's all that matters.Well, considering a group of them split off from the fanbase, twice, creating competing communities with OSR and Pathfinder, and had a definite hand in the failure of 4e, I'm not sure how you think they don't have power.
So, the group that can influence the fanbase to the point of carving off significant portions of the gaming population, at no financial cost to themselves has less power than the company that produces material for that fanbase and has a vested financial stake in keeping that fanbase. Oh, and, let's not forget, that if we accept that neckbeard grognard is the group that's being attacked, this is the group that played gatekeepers to the hobby for decades, keeping away women and minorities from the hobby through incessant attacks and bad behavior.Good thing I never said they had no power. They clearly have less power than WotC. Since punching up or down is only about relative power, that's all that matters.
Uh...do you mean the self-inflicted wound of Pathfinder? Yeah, attributing that to some grogs is more than a bit of a stretch. WotC did that do themselves. Do you mean the minuscule OSR? Last time I checked WotC was a multi-billion dollar company with 50 million+ fans chomping at the bit for the next D&D 5E release. The OSR collectively has...what...a few thousand fans that can scrape together a few thousand dollars. Yes, I'm quite comfortable saying that the mammoth gaming company that is WotC has more power than the OSR and/or Pathfinder/Paizo.So, the group that can influence the fanbase to the point of carving off significant portions of the gaming population
Right. And now they're aging and mostly scuttled off to the periphery of the hobby and trying to gatekeep their ever-shrinking corners of the community. And all the while D&D 5E has increased sales year-over-year, increase its fanbase to larger numbers than even the height of the D&D craze in the 80s saw. It's increasingly younger and less male-dominated. Yeah. Again, WotC has far, far more power than the grogs. And that's fantastic.Oh, and, let's not forget, that if we accept that neckbeard grognard is the group that's being attacked, this is the group that played gatekeepers to the hobby for decades, keeping away women and minorities from the hobby through incessant attacks and bad behavior.
Methinks you attribute way too much power to the aging and increasingly irrelevant grogs.Methinks you have an odd definition of relative power.
I am like 95% certain that THAC0 first appeared in the 1e days in Polyhedron.
Can anyone check me on that?
That certainly would be a good explanation of the pipe. However, given what Mistwell posted about this THAC0 character, I'd have to say no. Firstly, if it were Pundy, #9 would be that THAC0 thinks children are like swine(a common Pundit epithet), not roaches. Next, #8 would be people who touch his pipe would have their kneecaps bashed in with a rusty-nailed spiked baseball bat (or something like that, specifics escape me, but IIRC his being kicked off big purple was because he threatened violence of this sort). #7 is right off, as Pundy definitely does not say little and absolutely minds other peoples' business. #6 would just be a non sequitur unless I missed a tale, as nothing I know about him relates to this. Beyond that, the biggest reason I don't think it is him is that he isn't important enough for them to bother taking potshots. He's a guy who talked his way onto the 5e playtest (pretending more importance in the OSR community than he had), complained bitterly about how they didn't accept any of his proposals (right up until he realized he had to latch himself, lamprey-like, to 5e to have any cachet, and then he changed his tune), and when asked about him, everyone at WotC seem to not remember him (and this sure looks genuine, not like a stealth insult). He's just not relevant to anyone or anything excepting as he can make people think he is, which seems to be his entire business model.Just a thought, but they might be poking fun at the RPGPundit, one of the consultants they removed from the 5e Players Handbook. He checks off just about every box, including always having a pipe in hand.
It's not significant. He's mostly just an extra and if PCs knew everything about him it would spoil almost nothing. But he's at a location where PCs are likely to encounter him. There are a lot of choices a party can make as to where they go and what they do at the carnival, but THAC0 is located somewhere that the PCs are likely to at least briefly encounter him.
1) Sits right outside the door to [an important location] blowing bubbles with his bubble pipe.
2) Does not get along with Burly, another guard.
3) Thaco is the longest-serving Witchlight hand,
4) Nobody knows THAC0's history and scarcely any dare to ask, for he almost never speaks and harbors a malicious streak that is kept in check by Mister Witch.
5) THAC0 paints his face with a grin and puffs on a bubble pipe.
6) THAC0 retired from performing and no longer stages his knife-throwing act due to an unfortunate incident that took place in the Big Top some time ago.
7) THAC0 prefers not to talk and when he must he says as little as possible. He thinks everyone should mind their own business.
8) If anyone tries to touch THAC0's bubble pipe they will lose a finger.
9) THAC0 cannot stand children and think's they're like roaches.
For me, I am an old player who started with OD&D/Basic and played a lot of AD&D 1e. And...I found this amusing. You gotta be able to laugh at yourself. This is not bullying, it's just a silly ribbing inside joke.
I really don't want to armchair psychoanalyze the gaming community, but I see a parallel to something that happens at my work. My job as a manager of upper-middle-class IT professionals, most of whom were 'very bright young (mostly-)lads in high school and college, breezed through a computer science or software engineering or computer engineering or similar degree, and kind of arrived at the good life at age 22. Still, they were picked on for being nerdy as a teen, and the accolades and affirming life-benchmarks* have kinda dried up in adult life, and quite a few of them have decided that they are a kind of targeted group (else why doesn't adulthood automatically feel easy and fulfilling?).Yeah I had a severely deviated septum for most of my life. That was just a poorly considered way for the kids to mock the bullies.
I've never been persecuted for mouth breathing though.
I haven't had to fear being murdered, beaten, or sexually assaulted.
I haven't needed to worry about how I was going to feed and shelter myself, etc.
People complain about people being offended by things and having thin skin when those jokes and remarks are literally life threatening.
And then turn around and say they are being oppressed because a clown in a story references an old game.
The privilege on display is just remarkable.