The 1701 reaches 1000 missions!

[Crothian]

There's always that. To have to "explain" away stuff to try to make it believable... when it isn't. And then think we fans are stupid. (see also Lucas' "explanation" of the Force. All it did was piss off alot of fans, probably as many or moreso than the intro of Jar-Jar did! )

well, most serious star war fans (and star trek fans for that mnatter) need a kick in the butt so I was happy for them to have something they hate. I grow tired of them bickering and argueing ever last stupid detail and sucking all the fun out of it.

 

[Torm]

I wouldn't call it stupid; just hit and miss. DS9 was also hit and miss in its later years with Dimion War and that crap.

Sorry, but Voyager was STUPID. They jumped the shark so many times it wasn't funny - the most prominent time in my mind being the transwarp salamanders: Paris takes a shuttle out for a transwarp test drive, hits warp 10, turns into a salamander. Kidnaps Janeway (WHY Janeway?) and takes her to a far away planet at Warp 10, where she turns into a salamander and they have little salamander babies. They are then recovered. Not ONLY did their handling of what it means to hit Warp 10 make no sense based on what we were told about Warp and conventional physics before, and not ONLY was The Doctor able to turn them back to human lickety-split, and not ONLY did Janeway fail to take ANY responsibility for the new RACE they had created, but after this ... THEY COULD HAVE GONE HOME ANY BLOODY TIME THEY WANTED! The Doctor would be unaffected by Warp 10, and even if putting them in stasis didn't keep the crew from turning into salamanders, he could have turned them back! ARGH!

 

[Torm]

I grow tired of them bickering and argueing ever last stupid detail and sucking all the fun out of it.

I agree, but there is a difference between sweating the small stuff and expecting a minimum amount of quality. I don't think it is too much to ask that the writers of a show at least be fans of the show and their own work, do you?

 

[Crothian]

.....

that's what we would call a miss, in the hits and misses. And in case you didn't get the memo, the phrase Jump the Shark, has well...Jumped the Shark.

 

[Crothian]

I agree, but there is a difference between sweating the small stuff and expecting a minimum amount of quality. I don't think it is too much to ask that the writers of a show at least be fans of the show and their own work, do you?

No, I think it is too much to expect. Many writers take the jobs they can get and are not in a position to turn down jobs. I don't expect actors or anyone working on a show to have to like it when it is done. It is a paycheck. If they happen to like it, that's just bonus.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

well, most serious star war fans (and star trek fans for that mnatter) need a kick in the butt so I was happy for them to have something they hate. I grow tired of them bickering and argueing ever last stupid detail and sucking all the fun out of it.

You act like all of us are like that....

I guess then, under your "classification", then I'm a "casual" fan of both....

 

[mojo1701]

NO 7 of 9. She has some (maybe TOO obvious) well constructed traits, but I do not find her face appealing at all. I know some guys don't care about that so much, but I do - quite a bit.

I don't like here eyes, especially. They bulge out too much. And I care about the face, too.

Plus, yes, I have kind of a thing for Vulcans.

Who doesn't? All that discipline, and none of the moodiness. I'm just kidding, but seriously, every non-elderly female playing a Vulcan was niiiice.

 

[Crothian]

You act like all of us are like that....

I guess then, under your "classification", then I'm a "casual" fan of both....

no, i make no reference to if anyo of you qualify, but I have my suspicions.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Sorry, but Voyager was STUPID. They jumped the shark so many times it wasn't funny - the most prominent time in my mind being the transwarp salamanders: Paris takes a shuttle out for a transwarp test drive, hits warp 10, turns into a salamander. Kidnaps Janeway (WHY Janeway?) and takes her to a far away planet at Warp 10, where she turns into a salamander and they have little salamander babies. They are then recovered. Not ONLY did their handling of what it means to hit Warp 10 make no sense based on what we were told about Warp and conventional physics before, and not ONLY was The Doctor able to turn them back to human lickety-split, and not ONLY did Janeway fail to take ANY responsibility for the new RACE they had created, but after this ... THEY COULD HAVE GONE HOME ANY BLOODY TIME THEY WANTED! The Doctor would be unaffected by Warp 10, and even if putting them in stasis didn't keep the crew from turning into salamanders, he could have turned them back! ARGH!

I think I missed that one. Thankful I did!

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I agree, but there is a difference between sweating the small stuff and expecting a minimum amount of quality. I don't think it is too much to ask that the writers of a show at least be fans of the show and their own work, do you?

You'd at least hope so! But it doesn't always happen like that and it shows. Badly. Or the non-fan corporate suits like to muck it up to suit their tastes and what they think we fans would like..... :\