D&D 4E The 4e Pit Fiend Revisited

[Majoru Oakheart]

We were just talking about the Angel of Valor and now we can see for ourselves what the WOTC designer was talking about with regard to how boring combat would be.

Hope you're not talking about me. I'm certainly no designer. I just have some knowledge of the rules.

 

[AllisterH]

Hope you're not talking about me. I'm certainly no designer. I just have some knowledge of the rules.

Heh, nope not you specifically.

A WOTC designer was talking about using the Angel of Valor in his blog and he mentioned the same problem of combat dragging on that many thing will happen.

I was just pointing out WHY. You can see how an Angel of Valor can be beatable by 1st level PCs (economy of actions + more effective healing + less damage per action of Angel)yet at the same time, you can see how the combat would quickly get relatively boring (High HP/Defenses of Angel = Encounter + Daily powers get used up, have to resort to using at-will attacks).

 

[keterys]

It was an Angel of Vengeance (19 elite) and it was a party of 11th level folks, with some assorted NPC helpers. They had to burn so much healing the paladin went through at least 5 times her max hit points.

I imagine taking 2d8 for hitting it was a huge deterrent until they finally bloodied it.

 

[AllisterH]

It was an Angel of Vengeance (19 elite) and it was a party of 11th level folks, with some assorted NPC helpers. They had to burn so much healing the paladin went through at least 5 times her max hit points.

I imagine taking 2d8 for hitting it was a huge deterrent until they finally bloodied it.

Oh right.

Hopefully my point still stands (and I think it does). A level 19 elite versus Z level 11 opponents is probably a beatable challenge depending on what Z was. You can see what I'm thinking in terms of actions/healing would probably occur similarly if the level 8 Angel of Valor took on 1st level PCs.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Oh right.

Hopefully my point still stands (and I think it does). A level 19 elite versus Z level 11 opponents is probably a beatable challenge depending on what Z was. You can see what I'm thinking in terms of actions/healing would probably occur similarly if the level 8 Angel of Valor took on 1st level PCs.

Yes, I think the point still stands. The level difference in both cases is close (7-8).