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The AI Red Scare is only harming artists and needs to stop.
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CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
This "only the ignorant would disagree with me" tone is really grating.
Consider this: people opposed to AI actually do know what it is, how it is used, and who it affects, and that knowledge is why they are opposed to it.
Consider this: people opposed to AI actually do know what it is, how it is used, and who it affects, and that knowledge is why they are opposed to it.
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Necropolitan
Hero
The fact companies are actively trying to hide how they're training their AI says it all.
If they're not infringing copyright they should be fine with people knowing how their metaphorical sausage gets made.
NaturalZero
Hero
I was in college around 2000 and took a lot of art classes. Photoshop was evocative to me and I was using it draw things by hand while even my professors were only teaching photo editing. At the schools I went to, digital illustration wasn't a thing and I was often told by lay people that drawing with Photoshop was not art because "the computer makes the colors and textures for you." Fast forward to 2024 and digital illustration is widely considered a valid art form but somehow using a generative tool to tweak the smoke effect on an illustration of a giant will get banned from a WotC book for using "AI".
I haven't used Photoshop in a few years but every ad I see for it show that it's has, or will have, generative AI baked in as a basic functionality. It's only a matter of time before all digital art is at least a little bit "AI".
I get that there's certainly a huge difference between putting in a prompt and getting a finalized piece and using generative tech to manipulate something done by hand but the extremists don't care. We need to be able to have a rational discourse on how AI is going fit into everything going forward because it's not going anywhere and right now we have people using tools to enhance their work getting banned along side people making entire images whole-cloth.
I haven't used Photoshop in a few years but every ad I see for it show that it's has, or will have, generative AI baked in as a basic functionality. It's only a matter of time before all digital art is at least a little bit "AI".
I get that there's certainly a huge difference between putting in a prompt and getting a finalized piece and using generative tech to manipulate something done by hand but the extremists don't care. We need to be able to have a rational discourse on how AI is going fit into everything going forward because it's not going anywhere and right now we have people using tools to enhance their work getting banned along side people making entire images whole-cloth.
Warpiglet-7
Lord of the depths
I don’t care what system of government prevails, if you take someone else’s creation and labor and make use of it without compensation, it’s wrong.
Most of us with a sense of fairness can agree on that.
I do think it’s naive to think only one form of economy screws creators and additionally that there is no value to labor saving technologies.
There is a solution to be found. Willing artists could make or license works of art for such use. At that point what is our gripe with progress?
I am not into throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It makes sense of course to see where people are getting the shaft and make changes and as we all see fight it out legally.
Most of us with a sense of fairness can agree on that.
I do think it’s naive to think only one form of economy screws creators and additionally that there is no value to labor saving technologies.
There is a solution to be found. Willing artists could make or license works of art for such use. At that point what is our gripe with progress?
I am not into throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It makes sense of course to see where people are getting the shaft and make changes and as we all see fight it out legally.
Golden Bee
The cool guy of online
A red scare? Really? Are people called in to name AI users?
I have a couple of problems with AI, one is how quick people are to claim an image is AI. Two calling it AI. Just don't see it, it is not creating its own images just output from parameters it is provided. Artificial = fake, get that but Intelligence, not getting that as it is you run what you bring.
Blue Orange
Gone to Texas
Most of the companies probably lean libertarian (at least until someone messes with their copyright), so it would be a yellow scare (after the color associated with classical liberalism) or a green one (for money).
That said I get where the artists are coming from. Used to be if you got good enough you could make a little money drawing people's D&D characters, and now you can just type in 'purple tiefling in leather armor with a short sword'.
A lot of us older folk thought the arts would be the last thing to fall to automation. IMHO it raises some interesting philosophical questions about creativity, beauty, and mimesis, but right now the artists are seeing their already-meager income streams disappear, and a lot of indie designers are in the same position and sympathize with the artists. So I don't blame them.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I think "Red Scare" in this context is being incorrectly used to describe fear-mongering...because it sounds scarier.
Pretty ironic, imo.
Pretty ironic, imo.
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Necropolitan
Hero
Yes.
The Red Scare was the most powerful entity in the US (the US Federal government) going after people with nowhere near that power where false accusations were common and the few times they caught someone actually doing something wrong came nowhere close to justifying it.
The backlash to AI art is coming from content creators seeing their work stolen by the 2nd most powerful entities in the world (large corporations) and people who are upset that's happening. And the majority of cases are actually happening.
If a cloakroom attendant was hauled in front of a Congressional committee on suspicion of using AI to create art for their D&D character there might be some merit to using the phrase 'Red Scare,' but that hasn't happened so it isn't.
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