The Avengers (SPOILERS BEWARE0

Actually, I think it was smart to make Loki go out the way he did. It at least made him save face since he essentially was knocked out "fighting" (read being savagely beaten by) Hulk soon after he fought Ironman then Thor to a stand still. At that point since he basically already fought Ironman and Capt he really concluded that him vs Hulk + Thor + Capt + Ironman + Black Widow + Hawkeye would have been suicide if Hulk could at least knock him out when he wasn't prepared for a fight.

Loki isn't about the raw power and damage he can dish out, its about the amount of abuse he can take while making everything go to hell around him.
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Buffy didn't get kicked off WB. Whedon moved it to UPN because he got a better offer. And mostly out of bitterness for losing Buffy, WB cancelled Angel despite it having good (but not Buffy-level) ratings.
If by that you mean, the WB didn't give him a good offer because it wasn't really bringing in the ratings, then OK, yes, you're right.

Otherwise... not so much.
 

If by that you mean, the WB didn't give him a good offer because it wasn't really bringing in the ratings, then OK, yes, you're right.

Otherwise... not so much.
Well, feel free to cite some sources. I'd love to check'em out. But you don't strike me as a particularly keen TV insider so...well, you know. ;)
 
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But they're not so popular. They've all been cult favorites and mainstream commercial failures.

Buffy was cancelled because Geller didn't sign on for an 8th season citing that she wanted to go out on a positive note in regards to the popularity of the 7th season.

As far as commercial success goes, given the millions of dollars of revenue it has brought in from DVD sales alone, not to mention all the paraphernalia surrounding the series and it's spin-off, Angel, I'd say it was a pretty darn big success.

The same can be said of Firefly which made a huge amount of money in merchandise and DVD sales.
 

No comments about the aliens? Their design wasn't familiar to me, and I didn't catch the name in the movie. Wiki says they are "Chitauri" which I also don't recognize, but apparently they're the skrulls of the Ultimate universe. Or not. Do the Ultimate aliens look like the ones in the movie?

With all of the different Marvel alien races to pick from, I'm surprised they went with one that was made up or doesn't have much history. Or maybe that was the idea, since they were just there to get beat up on.
 


Well, feel free to cite some sources. I'd love to check'em out. But you don't strike me as a particularly keen TV insider so...well, you know. ;)
Dude, seriously? Have you even started with Wikipedia? Or Google? This isn't exactly something that requires "keen industry insider" perspective; it's pretty common knowledge.
As far as commercial success goes, given the millions of dollars of revenue it has brought in from DVD sales alone, not to mention all the paraphernalia surrounding the series and it's spin-off, Angel, I'd say it was a pretty darn big success.

The same can be said of Firefly which made a huge amount of money in merchandise and DVD sales.
You just made all that up. I have no idea what the sales were like, and most importantly, I have no idea what the costs where like, so whether or not that managed to pique some business-man's interest at the studio is all complete conjecture.

But I'm going with not. Especially relative to the alternatives. Y'know; actual hit shows.
With all of the different Marvel alien races to pick from, I'm surprised they went with one that was made up or doesn't have much history. Or maybe that was the idea, since they were just there to get beat up on.
I think the idea was, "let's pick an alien race that isn't cheesy."

I guess maybe Shi'ar could have qualified as not-cheesy, but then again, they've always been too associated with the X-men to turn up in an Avengers movie.

Which is one of my pet peeves; the X-stuff and the Avengers/FF have always been pretty chimney-like, with hard walls between them. I mean, yeah--Beast, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and lately even Wolverine have all been Avengers in the past, but curiously that doesn't really lead to closer ties between the two continuities within a continuity. Same for the crossover events. How come the Avengers never fight Magneto? Why don't the X-men take exception to Doctor Doom. Don't the X-men think that the threat posed by someone like Galactus is important enough? Don't the Avengers think the same about Apocalypse? And so on, and so on.

FF and Avengers have become fairly tightly integrated to the point where it's often easy to forget that some of the most classic villains in the entire Marvel universe are FF villains originally. The X-men continue to stand apart. And to a great degree, so has Spiderman until very recent years (and I don't just mean putting him on the Avengers team; the whole Dark Avengers routine was another big step in the integration of Spiderman and his associated characters into the greater Marvel orbit.)

Anyway, you could make a case that both the look and the name (and the MO) of the skrulls are all kinda cheesy, so I can see why the producers would want to shy away from them.
 

No comments about the aliens? Their design wasn't familiar to me, and I didn't catch the name in the movie. Wiki says they are "Chitauri" which I also don't recognize, but apparently they're the skrulls of the Ultimate universe. Or not. Do the Ultimate aliens look like the ones in the movie?

With all of the different Marvel alien races to pick from, I'm surprised they went with one that was made up or doesn't have much history. Or maybe that was the idea, since they were just there to get beat up on.
They have a decade of history in the comics. They are a hivemind race who are against free will, so they made a pretty good match for Loki in terms of his purposes in the movie. They were financing the Nazi, so there's a link to Red Skull.
 

You just made all that up.
No, I didn't. It's actually pretty well known fact. I'm surprised you don't know it, you being an 'industry insider' and all.

I have no idea what the sales were like, and most importantly, I have no idea what the costs where like, so whether or not that managed to pique some business-man's interest at the studio is all complete conjecture.

So let me sum up your argument: u dun no an i dun no so u rong an iym rite!!!11!! lolz usuxxorz!!!1!! iwinztehintarwebz!!!11111!!
 

Which is one of my pet peeves; the X-stuff and the Avengers/FF have always been pretty chimney-like, with hard walls between them. I mean, yeah--Beast, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and lately even Wolverine have all been Avengers in the past, but curiously that doesn't really lead to closer ties between the two continuities within a continuity. Same for the crossover events. How come the Avengers never fight Magneto? Why don't the X-men take exception to Doctor Doom. Don't the X-men think that the threat posed by someone like Galactus is important enough? Don't the Avengers think the same about Apocalypse? And so on, and so on.
Except, Avengers have fought Magneto. X-Men have fought Doctor Doom. X-Men have fought Galactus. Avengers have fought Apocalypse. And so on, and so on.
 

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