Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
If you don't update them regularly the Jedi start acting wonky and become hermits.Jedi Drivers <shakes fist>.
The Book of Boba Fett (spoilers)
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Flamestrike
Legend
The instantaneous comms (the Holonet) was taken over by the Empire in one of its first moves. They effectively controlled all media. You can see even today the influence State actors can have on information - convincing people of batshit crazy stuff like Qanon or the COVID conspiracy stuff. To literally deny observable reality.
Now imagine an Empire with the ability to do that in a determined and concentrated manner, while at the same time hunting down any Force sensitives (the Inquisition is canon now, and we've seen Cad Bane abducting force sensitive kids) and murdering them or flipping them into secret Empire operatives.
People have been shown to know about the Jedi (the Armorer character talks about them, noting the history of the Darksaber being the weapon of a Mandalorian Jedi, and other characters have referenced them as well).
I think it's more a case that the Empire has spread a determined propaganda and disinformation campaign re the Jedi. As a consequence many think they existed but dont any more, that the Force doesnt exist any more and has died out (or was never real, and just parlor tricks by a 'hokey religion' or 'trying to frighten us with your sorcerous ways and sad adherence to an ancient religion'), some think they were just myths, some think they were the bad guys that attempted to overthrow the Republic and everything in between, with a few people knowing the actual truth of the matter.
We've seen what a few years of misinformation on social media can do in real life. Amplify that by 20 years of deliberate misinformation, and no real method for anyone else to find any other information out to counter it (we can presume the Empires prescribed school History classes resemble something like Nazi Germanies, teaching all sorts of fake history, pseudo science and garbage as well).
Zardnaar
Legend
12 years of Nazism in Germany, or pick your favorite totalitarian regimes with lots of propaganda.
People knew Jedi existed but most people never met one and wouldn't have known the uns and out of their philosophy or beliefs.
Enevhar Aldarion
Hero
Everyone talking about the spread of information, or the lack of, need to remember that Star Wars was created in the 70's, long before the craze of social media and cell phones and with a barely existing internet. Same thing with original Star Trek in the 60's. If either were just being created in the 21st century, so much of that background information for the setting would be different. Think about all the viral videos/holocrons that would be floating around out their, both pro and anti-Jedi, otherwise. But because that is how the original trilogy was written, everything since then has to stick with this seeming lack of ubiquitous communication.
Flamestrike
Legend
Not just that, but they would have been subject to deliberate misinformation pumped through the all official channels, taught in school, via the Empire controlled Holonet etc etc
One only needs to look at what is happening IRL now to see how effective such misinformation campaigns can be, even in a open democracy with access to the truth and science and unbiased history, convincing people of totally insane, bizzare and out there 'theories' and totally different realities.
The Empire would be doing the same thing, just in a centralized and infinitely more far reaching manner, from schools, to the internet (Holonet) to official historical archives, banning certain types of thought or information, etc.
Id imagine any discussion of the Jedi on a Galaxy far far aways internet, would resemble the kind of dumpster fire that you see on threads on COVID or Qanon or similar topics on Reddit and elsewhere, with people believing things to be true, that self evidently are not.
It would be the same thing, but those arguing the actual truth (the Jedi existed etc) would have no video footage or historical archives to back it up (they're all destroyed or altered to say the exact opposite) are dealing with people who learnt in school the exact opposite, and are also dealing with the threat of being sent to the Spice Mines of Kessel (or worse) by the ISB for simply posting that information in the first place.
Khelon Testudo
Cleric of Stronmaus
Inspiration for next character: a droid who's name refers to an episode of a series that says a lot about that droid.
Zardnaar
Legend
Yep you either go with it or keep your mouth shut.
MoonSong
Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
There is a Youtube channel that is all about watching battles in slow motion to notice all of the details.Have you ever watched the background characters in most movies/TV shows during a major battle. Some of it is rather comical
Shades of Eternity
Adventurer
Hug it out Mandabros.
Ryujin
Legend
There are a bunch of channels that do it, to a greater or lesser degree. The ones that I enjoy the most are by Lindybeige, Schola Gladiatoria (Matt Easton, a HEMA instructor), and The Corridor Crew (a collection of stuntmen and special effects people).
Ryujin
Legend
"VIKINGS!"
I'm late to this party (just finished this series yesterday), but this was the first thing I came here to comment on. I'm hoping there's more of it that I've missed in the last 40 pages of discussion.
When I tell people that the Jedi are the bad guys, this kind of "training" is exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Forcing children to separate from everything and everyone they know isn't how you train an order of leaders, peacekeepers, or anything resembling an emotionally or spiritually balanced adult. That's how you raise child soldiers and cults. Is it any wonder that Kylo Ren rebelled from this type of toxic environment? Sorry Luke, I know you didn't have a lot to work with, but it really was better for you to hide from the galaxy than pass this on to future generations.
Zardnaar
Legend
Imagine a force sensitive child throwing a wobbly without force sensitive parents.
I imagine one would have more force sensitives falling to the dark side.
There's a lot of space between "the parents might need some help" and "total physical and emotional isolation coupled with religious brainwashing".
Also, it's pretty troubling to claim that force sensitive folks will naturally tend towards the dark side without Jedi training.
Shades of Eternity
Adventurer
So you're saying if the Jedi has counseling services the universe would be a better place?
Zardnaar
Legend
Children throw tantrums anger leads to the dark side. Go to your room my not work when they can telekinetically throw things are you.
Not claiming the Jedi are perfect personally I preferred Legends Luke/ Jedi academy. Basically he let them get married have kids etc.
I feel that's a bit like suggesting that we form an intermural soccer league with the Yautja to teach them constructive competition, but yeah, sure. I suppose it's baby steps in the right direction.
MarkB
Legend
I think the better take-away is that what the Star Wars universe really needs is Jedi Hogwarts.
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