The Book of Vile Darkness - it is mine, review within

[BryonD]

Why can't you use the rules for advancing dragons to advance demon lords? I don't think "incompatible" is the right word you're looking for. "Incompatible" implies that if you use ELH rules with BoVD, the system will somehow fall apart. Perhaps what you mean is "doesn't assume ELH as a default," which is exactly the point. It shouldn't assume ELH as a default, nor should it assume D&DG as a default.

If I use BoVD as-is and ELH as-is, it will fall apart.

I can advance demon lords the same as I advance dragons and it will work fine. But now I am not using everything as-is.

It is not required that the ELH be assumed for the rules to remain compatible.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

See!?! Between my last post and this one, more people have posted comments and questions about the archfiends in the BoVD. There is lots of cool stuff in the BoVD, and I am desperate to buy it, but its horribly obvious that what most people were curious about were the archfiends and how powerful they would/should be.

Bringing the grand total of people posting on this subject up to, what, a dozen or so? Most of the posts are just arguing back and forth between the same people who jumped on this tangent back at the beginning of the thread. That doesn't mean there's a genuine desire for the archfiends. Personally, I don't really care one way or the other for them, I just like arguing. The only thing "horribly obvious" is that you don't understand just how insignificant this little corner of the web is in the grand scheme of things.

 

[barsoomcore]

See!?! Between my last post and this one, more people have posted comments and questions about the archfiends in the BoVD.

Again, sigh.

I count eight posts. Four of those are concerned with archfiends, and ALL of those seem to be in favour of the approach WotC has taken in BoVD. Did you not read the posts?

And do you STILL not have any means of rebutting the various arguments that have already demolished your central notion -- namely that the BoVD would have been clearly better had it included epic-level stats for the archfiends?

If you all have to offer is repeated insistence of your point of view without any evidence or reasoning to back it up, don't expect anyone to be swayed to your point of view.

 

[BryonD]

Bringing the grand total of people posting on this subject up to, what, a dozen or so? Most of the posts are just arguing back and forth between the same people who jumped on this tangent back at the beginning of the thread. That doesn't mean there's a genuine desire for the archfiends. Personally, I don't really care one way or the other for them, I just like arguing. The only thing "horribly obvious" is that you don't understand just how insignificant this little corner of the web is in the grand scheme of things.

Agreed 100%

I have posted about nothing in this thread other than the Grazz'zt issue. I am doing so because it is recreational to me.

I am interested in the demon lords.

I am far more interested in most of the other parts of BoVD.

 

[herald]

See!?! Between my last post and this one, more people have posted comments and questions about the archfiends in the BoVD. There is lots of cool stuff in the BoVD, and I am desperate to buy it, but its horribly obvious that what most people were curious about were the archfiends and how powerful they would/should be.

greymarch

Don't use these numbers as for validation. Just about anyone you logged in on this topic would post a note on bellybutton lint and 3e if it happened to entertain them.

 

[Xarlen]

See!?! Between my last post and this one, more people have posted comments and questions about the archfiends in the BoVD. There is lots of cool stuff in the BoVD, and I am desperate to buy it, but its horribly obvious that what most people were curious about were the archfiends and how powerful they would/should be.

I know how you feel; I asked some questions on the 4th page.

 

[barsoomcore]

Don't use these numbers as for validation. Just about anyone you logged in on this topic would post a note on bellybutton lint and 3e if it happened to entertain them.

Well, but only in this thread if it were VILE belly-button lint.

 

[Buttercup]

You don't have to be noble, of course, but then we'll have to get SemperJase to tell you about the dangers of practicing ignoble behaviour.

ROTFLMAO! Ah, Barsoomcore, you slay me.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

If I use BoVD as-is and ELH as-is, it will fall apart.

I can advance demon lords the same as I advance dragons and it will work fine. But now I am not using everything as-is.

It is not required that the ELH be assumed for the rules to remain compatible.

If you use ELH at all, you've changed the entire universe from the default "nobody above 20th level" assumption. You should be prepared to accept the consequences.

 

[BryonD]

If you use ELH at all, you've changed the entire universe from the default "nobody above 20th level" assumption. You should be prepared to accept the consequences.

OK, back to the "this is why they are not compatible". No argument here.