The Complete Divine--what will be in it?

[johnsemlak]

OK, since the announcement of the Complete Divine recenty I don't think there's been a thread like this.

So, what do we suppose will be in it? What do we WANT to be in it? Will it be a mirror version of the Complete Warrior aimed at Divine Spellcasters?

What kind of new core/base classes could it include, if any?

Oh, and if someone who has the WotC catalogue and can paste description of teh CD on this thread could do so, that would be nice.

 

[Gez]

I think it will not be a "mirror of complete warrior aimed at divine spellcasters", since complete warrior was not aimed at fighters, but at war.

So, I think it will include bits of "religiousness" for every classes, including arcane spellcasters and non-spellcasters.

Here's my approximation of a guess

Chapter 1: Classes
* A "divine bard" (BAB 3/4, spells of level 0--6)
* The Evangelist or similar spontaneous cleric

Chapter 2: Prestige Classes
* Arcane Devotee
* Divine Champion
* Divine Disciple
* Divine Seeker
* Several of the mystic DotF classes like Divine Oracle

Chapter 3: Supplemental Rules
* Lotsa feats
* New spells
* New domains
* Maybe updated summon tables

Chapter 4: Fantasy Religion
* Temple maps
* Organizations and religious orders
* Religious events (crusades, messianism, apocalypse, maybe?)
* Divine campaigns
* More deities
* Magic items
* Epic divine stuff

 

[MerricB]

I think Gez has the right of it.

Cheers!

 

[Dirigible]

What you've described, Gez, sounds a heck of a lot like

"mirror of complete warrior aimed at divine spellcasters"

 

[BrooklynKnight]

Bah, Complete Warrior was for fighters and Multi-classed Fighters. Oh, and Monks. Yes.

Complete Divine will be a book forl, you guessed it, divine casters and multi-classed divine casters and their options.

 

[Gez]

What you've described, Gez, sounds a heck of a lot like "mirror of complete warrior aimed at divine spellcasters".

Nope. The distinction I tried to express between "aimed at divine characters" and "aimed at divine spellcasters" hasn't been understood, it seems.

Let's take the "Masters of the Unseen Hand". Clearly, it is aimed at wizards or psions. People who actually have telekinesis as a spell or power they can cast. Last time I checked, this was not one of the class abilities of fighters, barbarians, monks, paladins or rangers.

Classes like Rage Mage or Spellsword are as much for arcane casters as for fighters.

Divine feats are predominantly for paladins and clerics, not for fighters. And so on.

The aim of the CW was to be "the definitive sourcebook about war for all characters".

The aim of a CD would thus be to be "the definitive sourcebook about religion for all characters".

The classes I listed include arcane devotee (for arcane spellcasters, which are not divine spellcasters usually), divine champion (for fighters, which aren't divine spellcasters also, except paladins and rangers who don't really have reasons to multi into this class BTW), and divine seeker (for rogues, who are divine spellcasters only through their Use Magic Device skill).

 

[Wombat]

90% 3.0 retreads...

10% new material

Or why 3.5 is not selling as well as 3.0

 

[Silveras]

I agree with Gez' take on it. So much so that I will speculate that Skip Williams' "Pious Feats for Other Characters" (from a 3.0 Dragon issue), or something very much like it, will be included.

 

[el-remmen]

I know what I think it should be. . .

Rules for creating various kinds of specific priesthoods as base classes based on different gods/ethos - kind of a re-vamping of 2E specialty priests, except more balanced.

-- Hates the 3E Cleric/Druid Nemm