The Contemplative PrC for Clerics

[Vecna]

1) A lot of you are not understanding the Contemplative. Contemplative levels MUST be DIVINE in nature, they can never add spells or magic ability to an Arcane Caster.

Well, I'll repeat myself, hoping to be clearer this time.

Where in DotF can you find a rule that ties spellcasting progression and prestige domain access?

I know the Contemplative has divine spellcaster level +1 (not so Divine Oracle and Sacred Exorcist), but the access to a prestige domain is an entirely different thing, unless someone can give me a page number of DotF or the FAQs proving the opposite.

 

[mikebr99]

1) A lot of you are not understanding the Contemplative. Contemplative levels MUST be DIVINE in nature, they can never add spells or magic ability to an Arcane Caster.

As per the FAQ's clear explanation, The only two classes from Defenders of the faith that add levels to Arcane Caster are Sacred Exorcist and Divine Oracle Usine these clases you can in fact add the 9 free spells and the Domain powers to an Arcane Wizard, but only for the Domains Exorcism and Diviniation. Note neither of these Domains have healing spells.

2) A Contemplative CAN add class levels to a Druid, thereyby giving them Domain abilities and Domain spells. Very cool.

Quote who you are posting this towards... I don't want to be painted with this brush.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Can't you look at the FAQ yourself?

The Sage must have realized that the Contemplative was broken if sorcs could get all the benefits, and the domain spells too.

Hmm... healing sorcerers? I don't think so!

 

[mikebr99]

Well, I'll repeat myself, hoping to be clearer this time.

Where in DotF can you find a rule that ties spellcasting progression and prestige domain access?

I know the Contemplative has divine spellcaster level +1 (not so Divine Oracle and Sacred Exorcist), but the access to a prestige domain is an entirely different thing, unless someone can give me a page number of DotF or the FAQs proving the opposite.

Vecna... Vecna... I pointed this out in my 2nd post.

here, I'll repost it.

Upon adopting the contemplative class, and again at 6th level, a character gains access to a prestige domain of her choice, as described in Chapter 4: Divine Magic. The character can choose any domain made available by her deity or alignment— either a new prestige domain or a standard domain listed in the player's Handbook. The character gains the granted power associated with the domain she chooses, and can select the spells in that domain as her daily domain spells.

If you weren't a divine spellcaster before... you become one as a Contemplative. a 10th Sorcerer/10th Contemplative has the casting abilities of a 10th Sorcerer (without domain spells) AND a 10th Cleric (with 2 domains given as class bonuses from the contemplative).

See page 55 (spells per day) in DOTF.

If the contemplative did not previously belong to a divine spellcasting class, she gains the ability to cast divine spells exactly as a cleric of her patron deity. Her spell progression is the same as that of a cleric.

 

[Vecna]

Vecna... Vecna... I pointed this out in my 2nd post.

here, I'll repost it.

If you weren't a divine spellcaster before... you become one as a Contemplative. a 10th Sorcerer/10th Contemplative has the casting abilities of a 10th Sorcerer (without domain spells) AND a 10th Cleric (with 2 domains given as class bonuses from the contemplative).

I think I'll soon give up, cause you all aren't answering my question:

Can you tell me how the Prestige Domain and Spells per Day Contemplative abilities are related? (read the abilities description at page 55)


To (Psi)SeveredHead: last FAQ, page 57:
1st question:

"...Sorcerers or bards who get access to a prestige domain add
the domain’s spells to the lists of spells they know, and wizards
who get access to a prestige domain add the domain’s spells to
their spellbooks... "

3rd question:

If you have levels in both a divine spellcasting class and
an arcane spellcasting class, do you get to pick which one a
prestige spellcaster class would stack with? Suppose Sheree
has two levels of wizard and five levels of cleric and she
decides to take a level of warpriest (giving her access to the
Glory domain). Can she choose to stack the warpriest level
with the wizard?
In most cases, the prestige class specifies how you can use
the added spellcasting level. The warpriest specifies divine
spellcasting, but goes on to say that if you have more than one
divine spellcasting class, you can choose which one you apply
it to.
The divine oracle and sacred exorcist are the only two
classes in Defenders of the Faith that don't specify how you can use the added spellcasting levels. You can add the
spellcasting level to an arcane spellcasting class if you like.

Again, in the 3rd question, the Sage is talking about spellcasting level (spells known/spells per day), not granted domains.

You are assuming that because DO & SA gain spellcasting level +1 to arcane or divine they gain access to the domain as arcane if they like, but the Contemplative, gaining spellcasting level as divine can gain access only as divine?
Spells per day and Prestige domain (Ex) aren't related in any way!!!