The DM did IMPURE things to my PC!

[Rystil Arden]

Dvvega, I am aware of the 1 day/level duration that is sometimes imposed on Geas. I didn't want to get into the lawyering of the geas itself, but the suggestion to "read the spell" is a bit patronising (it assumes that I have not done so, or at least not carefully), so I'll just refer you back to the Geas spell description for the fact that geas has a permanent duration for any task that can be achieved (no matter how difficult), and the 1/day is only for prohibitory uses (it says "1 day/level or until discharged). Suffice it to say, my character asked the Lawful fighter for advice on the wording, in character, and we found a way that was proactive and attainable but unlikely to be completed before the party was safe from the druid (It involved forcing the druid to protect party members and foresters that she saw in danger until X number were saved, but did nothing to stop the druid from simply avoiding us if she chose and living her life without geas problems). If this hadn't worked, 1 day/level is a pretty brutal duration, giving us ample time to escape to farther regions. Note that 1/day is also the duration on Dominate spells, regardless of enemy Intelligence (in 3.x). Had I wanted to keep the rogue as my mind-slave (and I most certainly did not) I had plenty of time to renew the domination before it wore off (I actually went to the trouble of dispelling it when I was done, as it is not dismissible), but I will agree that it would not have been suitable for the deity-level mindrape in work in dead's campaign, since he could keep saving again until he eventually got that 20. Rimple Serf's goal would have required at the least the Thrall spell (a permanent domination) to force him, or the Mindrape spell (BoVD evil magic) to actually alter his mind into a state where he believes in the chaos. Considering the precedent with Mindrape, if the DM did give the player a Will Save behind the screen, the power is well within the rules, but its quite a cruel thing to do, and a Rare level 9 spell to boot.

I don't mean to contradict the rest of what you said, since I agree with the spirit of your post, if not a few of the specifics.

 

[IcyCool]

I'd just like to point out to some of you that the game in question is a Warhammer Fantasy RPG. It doesn't use the d20 ruleset or spells. I bring this up because there have been many posts assuming that this is a d20 game. The DM for dead has mentioned an "Unholy Book of Tzeentch". Knowing some of the WFRPG magic items, I wouldn't be surprised at an item that did what dead claims it did. Rimple Serf, is that book an item of your own making? Or a published item?

 

[Psychic Warrior]

Thank you, Rimple Serf. If you aren't a troll and are in fact Dead's DM, I think you've given us all a very clear picture of the nature of your game now.

True dat.

I think i have everything I need to know about how this game is run. Thank you Rimple Serf. I will continue to enjoy my 'simple' games for years to come.

 

[Psychic Warrior]

I'd just like to point out to some of you that the game in question is a Warhammer Fantasy RPG. It doesn't use the d20 ruleset or spells. I bring this up because there have been many posts assuming that this is a d20 game. The DM for dead has mentioned an "Unholy Book of Tzeentch". Knowing some of the WFRPG magic items, I wouldn't be surprised at an item that did what dead claims it did. Rimple Serf, is that book an item of your own making? Or a published item?

Since Rimple Serf doesn't ever use the rules as written I doubt it really matters. It was a plot device to make sure he got to tell the story he wanted to. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[dvvega]

Rystil: Maybe I read something wrongly, but the Duration of Geas is 1 day/level or until discharged ... this does not mean it can go beyond 1 day/level, it means that if the quest is over within the 1 day/level limitation it is discharged. Now I don't have the exact text for 1st and 2nd edition Geas before me, but I believe I remember correctly in their printings too that it had a maximum time limit.

IcyCool: It is d20 using Warhammer as the world I think ... unless my memory of Warhammer Fantasy RPG is shady ... look at their characters

Player 1 (Half-Ogre Fighter)
Player 2 (Human Priest)
Player 3 (Elf Wizard)
Player 4 (Dwarf Rogue [that's me!])

Then there is mention of Will Saves, Alignment, and a couple of other things that would lead to this conclusion.

However the game system makes no difference to the issues raised about a DM messing with a player's character.

D

 

[Rystil Arden]

Dvvega, I've quoted the text here, with an elipsis to remove a bit of description that isn't relevant.

"The geased creature must follow the given instructions until the geas is completed, no matter how long it takes. If the instructions involve some open-ended task that the recipient cannot complete through his own actions...the spell remains in effect for a maximum of one day per caster level."


As far as the Warhammer setting changing things, even in 3.0, as I mentioned, there was a BoVD spell named Mindrape that could do the same thing (the name says it all). So the DM could do these terrible things and be completely within the rules, but in my opinion, it is still way out of line for out of character reasons, regardless of whether the rules were followed.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I'm not the newest player. We've all been playing together for pretty much the same time. Maybe you're right about the "easy target" thing, though. By nature, I'm a quiet person and perhaps the DM (wrongly) thought I'd take this lying down.

No offense and all, but... you DID take it lying down.
Sure, you're "whining" here, but you took it and are still playing.

Me, I'd already have changed PC's, and there'd be Dwarf Entrails all over the campsite!

These folks are your friends, so you don't want to quit, so you just need to adjust to the way they're playing I'd say, if you still want to play. If you're a quiet person, I recommend Brooding Evil. It's fun!

 

[hong]

Hi, Ron.

 

[dvvega]

Rystil: Hmmm I see ... rereading it, indeed it seems it is unlimited as long as the quest can be fulfilled in some way. It is the open-ended task that has the 1 day/level limit. I always read it the other way ... I stand corrected.

The must save X number clause, however, would not let her leave you, because if she actively left the area, she would be contradicting your geas. In fact the Druid is more likely to survive the geas by hanging around and saving you multiple times unless you specifically said X different foresters. But that's not what is being discussed.

You are correct, I was not. Now to start unloading Geas everywhere

 

[Rystil Arden]

Hee hee. I'm glad to have created another fan ^^ Actually, the Geas was something very strangely-worded, like to save the first X foresters or party members that she is aware could use her help, so that she would be OK to gambol freely through the woods all day as long as she didn't become aware of any that needed her help. It still allowed us to send a Message spell to say "HELP!" and get her to come. It never came into play though because we stopped playing that campaign after that day a few years ago. Ah, the pains of being the only DM the group ever wants to use.