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The Final Announcement from The Descent Live Stream: Eberron Hardcover

The final announcement at the end of The Descent stream is a hardcover book for the Eberron setting!
No details have been announced, but Nathan Stewart closed out the live stream event for The Descent by proclaiming the final book out this year would be a hardcover setting book for Eberron.
 
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Parmandur

Adventurer
How can you say what the crossover between the two books is when the above article is literally all the information we have? Like, do you think I'd post an article that's just one sentence of "We're getting Eberron in hardback" if there was more to report? We don't know how much of Wayfarer's Guide is going to show up in the hardback. It could be none of it is repeated, it could be just a general re-write and republishing of the exact same material We don't know.

And the not-knowing is part of the problem with the announcement. If they'd ended the stream with "We're doing a hardcover of Literally Any Campaign Setting Other Than Forgotten Realms, Ravenloft, Ravnica, or Eberron!" we wouldn't be having this discussion because any other setting hasn't already been profiled in 5e and WotC hasn't charged us money for it. It would just be fans of other settings upset their setting wasn't next in line for a 5e update or people wanting something entirely original.

But no, they decided their capstone announcement for The Descent, the massive three-day-long 2019 streaming evening announcing the rest of this year's books would end with..."Eberron hardcover" *micdrop* *cuttoblack* (And I'm only very, VERY mildly exaggerating on that. Solely because Nathan Stewart did not, in fact, drop his mic. The rest is pretty accurate.)

The point is they have told us nothing other than "Eberron hardcover" and any backlash for people who feel cheated for having spent $20 on Wayfarer's Guide to Eberron at this point in time are pretty justified in being upset.
Mike Mearls tweeted about a "theoretical" hardcover the very day the Wayfarer's Guide was released: he said that their plan was to include the crunch (what they put through UA) but to not repeat any more than that, and make something Eberron fans would be happy with owning both. So, 22/175 of the Wayfarer's Guide is likely to be repeated, but is free already anyways. I listen to what they say.
 

Von Ether

Explorer
So here it The idea they would give us a whole new setting out of nowhere simply isn't the business WotC is in any longer.

Talk about milking the customer base.
Since they confirmed that tactic cannibalised TSR's fan base, no. (Same thing happened to Deadlands as well.)

The ONLY reason Eberron even exists is because Hasbro sold the video game rights (the real cash cow at the time) out from under the WotC CEO without telling him. (Which eventually lead to his departure.)

Otherwise it's been FR and previous settings until lately with the MtG stuff.

The newer spin has been setting/genre with Eberron and pulp/noir and now Descent as post apoc.
 

D1Tremere

Villager
Just thought I would add my opinion to the mix.
I am very HAPPY! I love the way WotC is producing their books right now, and will be buying the Eberron book for sure (As someone who also bought WGtE).
I honestly do not care what they put out next (though I am like most people hoping for Spelljammer at some point), because I love their line so far.
 

Barantor

Explorer
I'm not bothered by the book they announced, good for Eberron folks.

I dislike that it was built up a bit and many thought it was something new, they even prefaced it with "not spelljammer" before they said it.

To me, with all the information already shown in these posts, Eberron was likely to happen, that isn't 'new'.
I was hoping for something new, kinda disappointed, but at least Saltmarsh looks cool.
 

Dire Bare

Adventurer
And yet, until yesterday morning, it was going to be either Planescape or Greyhawk. I even heard some Spelljammer expectations, because of the "clear link" from Saltmarsh's nautical content.

I guess I could have been clearer with my criticism, but I thought the tinfoil hat reference was plain enough.
What I was trying to say is that despite what a large portion of the community seems to believe, WotC doesn't drop hints. They tell us what they are going to do, and then they do it, while certain employees muddy the water to keep the hype level high.
I think you and I live on different planets. WotC most certainly has been dropping all sorts of hints and teases regarding Planescape, Greyhawk, Spelljammer, and Eberron. Some fans have taken those teases and ran into some strange territory with them.

It was never "clear" that the 2019 setting book was going to be any setting until the final announcement dropped at the end of the stream Sunday. There were lots of folks making assumptions and weak "fan theories" about what the book would be, but anyone getting mad over hints, teases, and fan expectations needs to do some self-evaluation.

This year we're getting Eberron, which was hinted and teased along with all of the other settings. We are also getting something planar, "Descent into Avernus", if not actually Planescape. We are likely to get something for Dark Sun, Planescape, and Spelljammer down the road at some point, but that doesn't mean a full setting hardcover for any of those settings (although, we might get just that).

There are no lies, no broken promises, no "muddying the waters" . . . just fan assumptions that were weak and didn't pan out.

I realize this is contentious (for some insane reason), but Ravnica is original to D&D, no matter what their spin engine claims (or what the fans are willing to white knight).
"Spin engine"?!?! Jeesh. I'm not really sure what you are saying here, but Ravnica is not original to D&D. It is a setting, or plane, for the Magic: The Gathering card game, probably their most popular setting for Magic. The setting book we just got adapts Ravnica to D&D, which, is awesome.
 

Dire Bare

Adventurer
[SARCASM]Why did WotC choose to go with somebody else's favorite setting and not mine? WHY GOD WHY!!!

Clearly, they should have known that MY favorite setting is the only choice that matters! What's wrong with them!?![/SARCASM]

Soooo tired of the constant sour grapes in D&D fandom. Eberron not your cuppa tea? That's OK. Stop whining and don't purchase the book. WotC hasn't decided to publish the specific book you want yet? Oh well, we don't always get what we want.
 

dave2008

Explorer
They've fixed some typos.
What changes have they made to the races and dragon marks?
No idea, did they say they would? I know there was mention of the artificer being updated and that hasn't happend yet, but it is in the works. So a fair guess is that other updates are in the works too.
 
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Parmandur

Adventurer
They've fixed some typos.
What changes have they made to the races and dragon marks?
For example, they have made the following substantial changes among others as playtesting progressed:

Change - week of 17th September 2018


1. On Page 90: Remove "Human" from the Dragonmarks and Houses table entry for the Mark of Finding.

2. Replace the Mark of Finding Traits section with the following text

The Mark of Finding only manifests on half-orcs. If your character has the Mark of Finding, these traits replace the Ability Score Increase, Menacing, Relentless Endurance, and Savage Attacks given in the Player’s Handbook. Despite their orcish blood, heirs of the Mark of Finding often resemble their human parents in appearance and temperament. When you create your character, decide if the signs of your orcish ancestry are obvious or subtle.

Ability Score Increase. Your Strength and Wisdom scores both increase by 1. In addition, one ability score of your choice increases by 1.

Hunter’s Intuition. Your mark sharpens your senses and helps you find your prey. When you make a Wisdom (Perception) or Wisdom (Survival) check, you can roll one Intuition die, a d4, and add the number rolled to the ability check.

Imprint Prey. As a bonus action, choose one creature you can see within 30 feet of you. The target is imprinted in your mind until it dies or you use this trait again. Alternatively, you can imprint a creature as your quarry whenever you succeed on a Wisdom (Survival) check to track it.

When you are tracking your quarry, double the result of your Intuition die. When your quarry is within 60 feet of you, you have a general sense of its location. Your attacks against it ignore half cover. If you can’t see the target when you attack it, your inability to see it doesn’t impose disadvantage on the attack roll. Likewise, your quarry doesn’t doesn’t gain advantage on attack rolls against you due to being hidden or invisible. Once you use this trait, you cannot use it again until you finish a short or long rest.

Nature’s Voice. When you reach 3rd level you gain the ability to cast locate animals or plants, but only as a ritual.

[[This simplifies the Mark of Finding and REMOVES IT AS A HUMAN OPTION, saying they are all half-orcs; as a result, it removes Darkvision, Languages, and changes the Ability Score Increase. to remove the Human option.]]

3. Add the following to the Mark of Healing traits.

Jorasco’s Blessing. You know the cantrip spare the dying. Charisma is your spellcasting ability for this.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/24756-wayfarers-guide-to-eberron-change-log
 

dave2008

Explorer
Eberron is my favorite setting.

Did I need a new hardcover? Nope. Am I happy to buy one? Absolutely.

Honestly, I'm down for pretty much any book that isn't an adventure.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was an adventure, or at least has an adventure in it. Setting info + NPC/Monster info + setting crunch + adventure seems like a likely format to me.
 

Parmandur

Adventurer
I wouldn't be surprised if it was an adventure, or at least has an adventure in it. Setting info + NPC/Monster info + setting crunch + adventure seems like a likely format to me.
Yeah, the format is likely to follow that of Guildmasters Guide to Ravnica.
 

TheSword

Villager
Well we get a campaign arc set at least partially on the outer planes and we get Eberron as a second campaign setting as an alternative to FR. Sounds like we’re getting the best of both worlds (literally).

I personally would love to see a quality campaign published for Eberron.
 

Gradine

Archivist
Yes, two books for Eberron is too many, this will almost certainly be a near perfect copy of a book I already spent $20. I feel exploited. See my rage. See it? This is my rage.

<eyes 3.5 Eberron book collection>

Oh wait never mind.
 

Staffan

Explorer
[SARCASM]Why did WotC choose to go with somebody else's favorite setting and not mine? WHY GOD WHY!!!

Clearly, they should have known that MY favorite setting is the only choice that matters! What's wrong with them!?![/SARCASM]
Clearly, the correct choice should have been committing to a three-volume update of the Jakandor setting.
 

Staffan

Explorer
No idea, did they say they would? I know there was mention of the artificer being updated and that hasn't happend yet, but it is in the works. So a fair guess is that other updates are in the works too.
The artificer got an update last week, featuring two new subclasses, the addition of Xanathar spells to the spell list, three new infusions, and a slight update to the multiclassing rules.
 
I expected it, sad but expected.

I think them making it a separate book from Wayfinders rather than just expanding wayfinders to be a full product is scummy. But hey, I will never buy into one of their beta releases ever again :)
 

DMZ2112

Chaotic Looseleaf
I think you and I live on different planets.
You’ll get no argument from me on that point.

"Spin engine"?!?! Jeesh. I'm not really sure what you are saying here, but Ravnica is not original to D&D.
FFS. For years, WotC said no original settings for D&D5 until the old settings had been addressed. Then, Ravnica.

Who doesn’t know Ravnica is an M:TG thing?

The setting book we just got adapts Ravnica to D&D, which, is awesome.
Our respective planets don’t share a definition of awesome, apparently.
 

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