The Final Announcement from The Descent Live Stream: Eberron Hardcover

The final announcement at the end of The Descent stream is a hardcover book for the Eberron setting!
No details have been announced, but Nathan Stewart closed out the live stream event for The Descent by proclaiming the final book out this year would be a hardcover setting book for Eberron.
 
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Dire Bare

Adventurer
Clearly, the correct choice should have been committing to a three-volume update of the Jakandor setting.
Correct answer, right here! Steel & Bone!

Trivia: Steel & Bone was the original name of the line, before it was changed to Jakandor: Island of <insert here>.
 

MonsterEnvy

Adventurer
I expected it, sad but expected.

I think them making it a separate book from Wayfinders rather than just expanding wayfinders to be a full product is scummy. But hey, I will never buy into one of their beta releases ever again :)
Considering we have zero details this is a bit of a kneejerk reaction. For all we know this could be an expansion to Wayfinders.
 

murquhart72

Explorer
I wonder if this will be a full setting overview kind of deal, or something more like SCAG, with just a snapshot of one particular area. If it's a full-on setting book, I'm surprised the Forgotten Realms didn't get one first!
 

Parmandur

Legend
I wonder if this will be a full setting overview kind of deal, or something more like SCAG, with just a snapshot of one particular area. If it's a full-on setting book, I'm surprised the Forgotten Realms didn't get one first!
Structurally, the Guildmasters Guide to Ravnica is the most likely model: expanded player options, more monsters, and DM aids.
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
For Eberron lovers, do you view Ravnica as competition? Both are mainly urban and ubiquitous magic.



Note, I would describe Eberron as ‘wide’ (availability of low level) magic, rather than ‘high’ (level of) magic.
 

gyor

Adventurer
I expected it, sad but expected.

I think them making it a separate book from Wayfinders rather than just expanding wayfinders to be a full product is scummy. But hey, I will never buy into one of their beta releases ever again :)
I wonder if they will reprint the spells from XGTE that the Artificer has access to in the WGE?
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
I wonder if this will be a full setting overview kind of deal, or something more like SCAG, with just a snapshot of one particular area. If it's a full-on setting book, I'm surprised the Forgotten Realms didn't get one first!
I personally prefer the regional snapshot. Because this is easy to plug-and-play into any setting.

So, when treating the Drow, pick a particular city, Menzoberranzan. If treating the Githzerai, pick a particular extraplanar monastery complex and its environs. When treating Eberron, pick a particular city. Future products can pick a particular elven ancestor-revering community. And so forth.
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
A neat feature of Eberron is the absence of nature. Or rather, nature is pushed into the background while psionics and elementalism are pulled into the foreground. Thus background and foreground contrast each other and heighten each other.

Of course, focusing on a nonurban region in Eberron reverses this, where nature becomes the center, and psionics and elementalism are distant contrasts.
 

Parmandur

Legend
For Eberron lovers, do you view Ravnica as competition? Both are mainly urban and ubiquitous magic.



Note, I would describe Eberron as ‘wide’ (availability of low level) magic, rather than ‘high’ (level of) magic.
Apparently not, since they are both being published. In the Dragon Talk where they announced Wayfarer's Guide and the Ravnica book, Keith Baker went a little into how to mix Ravnica material into Eberron.
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
Apparently not, since they are both being published. In the Dragon Talk where they announced Wayfarer's Guide and the Ravnica book, Keith Baker went a little into how to mix Ravnica material into Eberron.
Do you have a link handy to where Baker suggests mixes?
 

dave2008

Adventurer
The artificer got an update last week, featuring two new subclasses, the addition of Xanathar spells to the spell list, three new infusions, and a slight update to the multiclassing rules.
Yes, but the PDF of Wayfinder's Guide has not been updated with the artificer yet - that is what I was talking about.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Yes, but the PDF of Wayfinder's Guide has not been updated with the artificer yet - that is what I was talking about.
But the playtested portions have been updated: they talked this weekend about making it available for Print on Demand, so it will be updated again. Likely, they will add the Artificer rules.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
I expected it, sad but expected.

I think them making it a separate book from Wayfinders rather than just expanding wayfinders to be a full product is scummy. But hey, I will never buy into one of their beta releases ever again :)
IDK. I find it hard to describe them as "scummy" when they explained this from the get go. They said: Wayfinder's will be updated and when it is complete it will be official and offered in POD. The said a future hardcover would compliment Wayfinder's.

At this point it seems they are providing what they said they would. However, maybe I have a different viewpoint as I didn't purchase Way and unlikely to purchase the hardcover.
 
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Olaf the Stout

Adventurer
My reaction was probably similar to a few thousand other people: well, I sure wasted $20 on the DMsGuild.

As I said elsewhere, I'm disappointed by this.
We already have Eberron. We could already run games in that world. This doesn't give us anything new. We can't tell stories we couldn't before. We don't get more races. We don't unlock another world on the DMsGuild. The DMsGuild Adepts are unlike to do any products that they haven't already released.
We're not really given any more toys to play with that we weren't already expecting, as the artificer was already supposed to go into the Wayfinder's Guide. (If they can even managed to get the artificer not to suck before the books is released.)

Okay, yeah, there could be more monsters. Wheeee. I literally have well over a thousand monsters spread over eight books, with a ninth on the way.
Oh, and the world lore. Which I already have. Because Eberron's timeline hasn't changed. That doesn't need to be updated to 5e.


It feels a little like a snub that Eberron fans get TWO full campaign setting books before before fans of any other classic setting get anything.


Meanwhile, I'm left wondering why they gave Descent into Avernus the "Baldur's Gate" surtitle, if there's no second BG book. And wondering how many more years we'll have to wait before we get to see the rest of Hell.
How have you “wasted” $20? The PDF came out 11 months ago and I’m guessing there will be about an 18 month gap between the PDF and the hardcover.

Even if the hardcover was an exact reprint of the PDF (which it won’t be, and could be completely different), you’ve still had Eberron material for 18 months before the hardcover was released. Does that hold no value to you?

You could run an entire campaign or two in that time. Not to mention that when I buy a hardcover WotC book, I don’t get a PDF copy of the same book. So to suggest you wasted $20 is just incorrect in my opinion.
 

dave2008

Adventurer
But the playtested portions have been updated: they talked this weekend about making it available for Print on Demand, so it will be updated again. Likely, they will add the Artificer rules.
Yes, I know. I am not trying to argue that point. I have been saying WotC is in the process of delivering what they promised (updates and POD). We are in agreement and saying the same thing.
 

Olaf the Stout

Adventurer
Yes, the initial game got patched as needed, as with any game a AAA video game company sales. The only thing they said for sure that would be added was the One Extra Character Skin and new associated material needed to play that one. So that $20 you paid for the Early Access got you everything in the initial game you bought, plus all of the patches and that one single character skin. Nothing more. So hopefully people who bought it did not misunderstand and will still pay the full premium price of $50-60 for our new game that will come out that's essentially the same as the previous game we said we'd continue to support.

Starting to see why people might be upset? Seriously, picture a video game company doing this on Elder Scrolls 6 or The Outer Worlds or something else and just imagine the rant Jim Sterling would go on.
I don’t know why you keep trying to equate roleplaying books with video games as though they are homogeneous interchangeable products. They aren’t and trying to use video games in your examples as a comparison just weakens your argument.
 

MarkB

Hero
For Eberron lovers, do you view Ravnica as competition? Both are mainly urban and ubiquitous magic.



Note, I would describe Eberron as ‘wide’ (availability of low level) magic, rather than ‘high’ (level of) magic.
I'm not sure I'd classify Eberron as being that highly urban. Certainly, there's support for urban campaigns, and the Wayfinder's Guide focused a lot on Sharn, but the setting as a whole has vast ranges of well-detailed wilderness in which to adventure. I'd describe it as more modernist (in terms of attitudes and social structures rather than technology) rather than urbanised.
 

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