I think there has to be a happy medium in there somewhere. Teaching your kids right and wrong but when they get to a certain age trusting them to make the right decision. If you make all their decisions for them, when they are thrust into the real world, they may not have the ability to decide for themselves. Dhai's upbringing was very "permissive" as well, but because he was allowed to do things his was more of a "Why drink a beer, when a coke tastes better" Ya know. Where he lived in Europe, kids were allowed to drink so when he moved back to the states (military family) his sophmore year of HS and people said "woohoo, let's get drunk", his reaction was "why?" Sometimes making something out to be this "unholy evil thing" just makes someone want to do it more. Depends on the personality I guess. It only took about 10 months of rebelling (and my boyfriend going psycho) to realize that this wasn't me. I wasn't that person. So, I moved away from it all (and away from him).