The Immortals Handbook

[Kavon]

*ponders ponders*

Hey Kavon matey!

Hey U_K

Your getting colder.

Metatron is a First One,

So... Something between GOD and Metatron.. Hmm...
As far as I can recall, in the celestial order, there isn't anything between the two (Metatron was GOD's voice, so He could give his commands to the other angels, and such), Samael would be a first one too, as well as Michael et al...so my guess is that it's not one of those... (which doesn't really count, does it? ).
What would Asmodeus be again? Another First One?

 

[Upper_Krust]

*ponders ponders*

Hey U_K

Hiya mate!

So... Something between GOD and Metatron.. Hmm...

Hmm indeed!

As far as I can recall, in the celestial order, there isn't anything between the two

My research says otherwise!

(Metatron was GOD's voice, so He could give his commands to the other angels, and such), Samael would be a first one too, as well as Michael et al...so my guess is that it's not one of those... (which doesn't really count, does it? ).

I have Michael as an Old One.

What would Asmodeus be again? Another First One?

No. Although I suppose that depends upon your Asmodeus origin. Personally I have him as a Lesser deity/Arch-devil. But hes also an Aspect of Ahriman (Persian Greater Deity).

The ultimate evil is a First One (Satan/Tharizdun).

Some people use Ahriman as the ultimate evil in which case Asmodeus would likely be an Elder One. But that supplants Satan with Ahriman, and also means you have to accomodate Ormazd/Ahura-Mazdah amongst the First Ones - then you have to move Zurvan Akarana up to Time Lord. Its all becomes a game of moving chairs. But the upshot of the ultimate evil version of Ahriman is that it buggers up the Persian Pantheon.

 

[Kavon]

Hiya mate!

Hey again

My research says otherwise!

Ah, ok. I'm very very close then (only need to find a reference to someone like that, neh? :3 )

I have Michael as an Old One.

Hmm... Yeah, makes sense.

No. Although I suppose that depends upon your Asmodeus origin.

Yeah, I guess that's why I couldn't remember (since I didn't know in the first place)

Anyway, off to do something for school, afterwhich I'm going to look into this 'thing between Metatron and GOD' thing :3

 

[Anabstercorian]

Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or the Father.

 

[historian]

Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or the Father.

I believe we have a winner.

Although maybe Sananda might be what U_K uses to refer to Jesus?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anabstercorian mate!

Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or the Father.

I'll give you a half point for the Holy Spirit.

 

[Kavon]

I'll give you a half point for the Holy Spirit.

Ok, so it's the Ascended Christ mumbo?

Jesus is the prophet, the Holy Spirit is his.. erm.. well.. holy spirit, and the Father is GOD, right? (never really got into this part of the whole thing, so I'm not sure what each part of the Triad/Trinity/whatever it was called does. I did consider the ascended Jesus for a moment, though)

 

[Fieari]

MODERATORS: If you feel I've gone too far with discussing real religion here, feel free to moderate, I understand.

By Christian doctrine, the three parts of the trinity are... really confusing, and seemingly contradictory but I suspect it's because we only tend to think in 3 dimensions, at most 4. Each part of the triune God is in fact God, the whole of God, and AT THE SAME TIME only part of God, since one part can refer to the other two parts.

This is why Christains are monotheists, insist on being called monotheists, and yet sometimes others say that this is an incorrect label. It's because the issue is kinda confusing. Which makes sense for a supreme being, I'd think. If you can understand your supreme being, how supreme is he/she/it, anyway?

Don't answer that. In game only now. Not a philosophy/religion debate.

I suppose that each aspect of God, technically isolated from the others in whatever way (Jesus on earth, being crusified, as the Father turns His back?) could possibly be called a Time Lord? Is that how it goes?

Argh, and yet you said "Half-a-Point" in terms of the Holy Spirit, ignoring the other two... so likely something else is going on here...

 

[devilish]

I suppose that each aspect of God, technically isolated from the others in whatever way (Jesus on earth, being crusified, as the Father turns His back?) could possibly be called a Time Lord? Is that how it goes?

Argh, and yet you said "Half-a-Point" in terms of the Holy Spirit, ignoring the other two... so likely something else is going on here...

Is it 1/2 a point for the Holy Spirit aspect and 1/2 point for the Jesus/Son
aspect, with the Father aspect being the Supreme Being?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Kavon mate!

Ok, so it's the Ascended Christ mumbo?

Well I wouldn't quite put it like that.

Jesus is the prophet,

Well there would be more ways of tackling Jesus than there would Asmodeus, but thats not something I'm going to expound upon in the IH obviously.

Personally I would be more interested in doing something with Adam Qadmon (who is almost certainly the inspiration for Adam Warlock in the Marvel Universe), a sort of Eternal Messiah (in the vein of Moorcocks Eternal Champion).

the Holy Spirit is his.. erm.. well.. holy spirit,

There is more to my own view of this entity than that - which is why I only awarded a half-point for the suggestion.

and the Father is GOD, right?

The exact nature of the Supreme Being is up to individual DMs to address or ignore.

(never really got into this part of the whole thing, so I'm not sure what each part of the Triad/Trinity/whatever it was called does. I did consider the ascended Jesus for a moment, though)

As I mentioned above I think Adam Qadmon is a much more approachable messiah figure and it lets you avoid offending anyone.