The Immortals Handbook

[historian]

Howdy Krust!

Well the Akashic Memory was never statted anyway.

I suspect it'd be pretty hard to stat.

Well I might be able to squeeze two or three into the Omnific Abilities.

A few others I was never really happy with from a mechanical perspective (they were more philosophical than mechanical).

Cool.

Well there was Alpha; Omega [Effect]; Metadimensional; Metamerism; Metastasis and a few others I wasn't really happy with like Metaphysical and Metaversal.

Some on that list may end up in the Omnific Abilities if they test out okay.

These sound pretty cool, did you envision each having a different function (sounds like it)?

To be honest I am debating whether or not Supernals (certainly plural) are necessary.

Interesting, would you stop the progression at Time Lord? If supernals were omitted would you have any paramaters for a 'supreme being' type?

*NNNNHHH* Wrong answer.

At best Overgods. Though I would be partial to making Ahriman/Angra Mainyu and Ormazd/Ahura Mazda 'merely' Greater Gods.

Drats, I guess I'm stumped on which 'real world' mythological figures would qualify as time lords.

Care to give us a clue?

Perhaps, I haven't done his stats yet, though I do have Godzilla practically finished.

...Its the 100 metre version of Godzilla by the way (rather than the 50 or 55 metre versions) with all the added extra powers he showed in the later movies. I think hes pretty tough, probably on a par with Odin - albeit in a more direct way obviously.

Bitchin' -- Godzilla sounds nasty. Can't wait to see Galactus, I'm assuming he'll weigh in at about CR 500.

Well it won't technically be Marvel Thanos, despite some similarities. But it would be easy to stat up Thanos using the IH. I make him Skyfather/Greater God level.

You had mentioned this before (Thanatos will likely be his handle?). Skyfather is right on IMO(we have evidence that he is 'neck and neck' w/Odin). I think my version had about 15-20 too many HD in all honesty.

But w/Thanos (or his derivatives) I'd rather err on the high side -- underestimating him can be a disaster.

If I knew how to be able to sell the pdfs on my website then I would be able to circumnavigate the fees for places like rpgnow and lower the price of the pdfs.

My gut instinct tells me you could inboard this part of the operation no problemo (though I'm not techy). You might lose something in the way of product exposure though.

Take care dude.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Krust!

Hiya matey!

I suspect it'd be pretty hard to stat.

On the contrary its easy to stat, but the stats are just pointless.

Cool.

These sound pretty cool, did you envision each having a different function (sounds like it)?

Yeah I knew what they were doing, although the measure of any benefit was more guesswork than anything. But you would think I have a fairly good handle on these type of things by now.

Interesting, would you stop the progression at Time Lord? If supernals were omitted would you have any paramaters for a 'supreme being' type?

Well Supernals pretty much are 'Supreme Beings', think along the lines of True Beyonders I suppose is the closest analogous characterization.

Drats, I guess I'm stumped on which 'real world' mythological figures would qualify as time lords.

Care to give us a clue?

Nope.

Bitchin' -- Godzilla sounds nasty. Can't wait to see Galactus, I'm assuming he'll weigh in at about CR 500.

About 350-400.

You had mentioned this before (Thanatos will likely be his handle?).

Yeah.

Skyfather is right on IMO (we have evidence that he is 'neck and neck' w/Odin). I think my version had about 15-20 too many HD in all honesty.

But w/Thanos (or his derivatives) I'd rather err on the high side -- underestimating him can be a disaster.

He he!

My gut instinct tells me you could inboard this part of the operation no problemo (though I'm not techy). You might lose something in the way of product exposure though.

Well I would have it on multiple websites, not just my own.

Take care dude.

I appreciate the support mate.

 

[Cergorach]

So, maybe i missed an anouncement in this thread (hardly suprising as this thing is bloody long), but from what i gather Mongoose is releasing:

The Book of Immortals Hardcover - $34.95
Focusing on epic play from 20th level onwards, The Book of Immortals introduces a wealth of new d20 material for one of the most neglected, yet central themes of fantasy campaigns - the quest for ultimate power!

Is this 'your' BoI? Or something new?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Cergorach mate!

So, maybe i missed an anouncement in this thread (hardly suprising as this thing is bloody long), but from what i gather Mongoose is releasing:

Is this 'your' BoI? Or something new?

No this isn't my book, but something different.

I am really looking forward to Mongoose take on all things immortal as well as Sword & Sorcery Studios book on Greek Gods (out in September I believe).

So thats two for me to look out for over the coming months and three for the rest of you.

 

[historian]

Howdy Krust!

On the contrary its easy to stat, but the stats are just pointless.

I know what you mean.

I wonder can anyone guess the names of possible Time Lords from world mythology?

Back for a second bite at the apple. I guess I'm struggling a bit with the how "world mythology" is defined.

I would suspect that Death, Fate, Time, etc. would all qualify as Time Lords, but I'm not sure that they're subsumed within the "world mythology" category.

Well Supernals pretty much are 'Supreme Beings', think along the lines of True Beyonders I suppose is the closest analogous characterization.

Would we lump in HOU Thanos as a 'Supernal' as well? Is there a point (in CR terms) that you view as a 'practical' maximum (80 quindecillion/8^24)?

About 350-400.

That sounds about right on for Galactus when I think about it critically. At CR 400, he is roughly 4-5 times as strong as a Skyfather (assuming a mean CR of about 200 for Skyfathers), but not wholly out of their league.

A Skyfather on his home turf should be strong enough to deter Galactus from eating their favored homeworlds.

Although Galactus is an interesting case, at full consumption I could see 'him' at something higher than CR 400.

Well I would have it on multiple websites, not just my own.

Good deal -- this thread gets a lot of views (and I suspect it's not just from people who post) and you're well known and connected, so any concerns about product exposure are probably misplaced.

 

[Impeesa]

No this isn't my book, but something different.

I am really looking forward to Mongoose take on all things immortal as well as Sword & Sorcery Studios book on Greek Gods (out in September I believe).

Took long enough for someone else to pick up on it. Careful or you'll be scooped.

*cough* tortoise, hare, etc.

--Impeesa--

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Krust!

Hi historian matey!

Back for a second bite at the apple. I guess I'm struggling a bit with the how "world mythology" is defined.

There are characters from Earths mythology that are Time Lords.

I would suspect that Death, Fate, Time, etc. would all qualify as Time Lords,

Nope, they would be First Ones.

but I'm not sure that they're subsumed within the "world mythology" category.

Yes. Time is Zurvan Akarana (or Janus), Death, Fate and the others also have actual names, but I'll save them for the book.

Would we lump in HOU Thanos as a 'Supernal' as well?

Yes.

Is there a point (in CR terms) that you view as a 'practical' maximum (80 quindecillion/8^24)?

It gets really complicated dealing with CRs for Time Lords and above (when you see the Omnific and (if I keep them) Metempiric powers you'll understand better.

I mean if I said the Supreme Being only had about 25 million hit points you might laugh at me, but when you add some of the powers that may as well be 25 googleplex...You'll see.

That sounds about right on for Galactus when I think about it critically.

He converts to about CR 357...if you want a bit more precision.

At CR 400, he is roughly 4-5 times as strong as a Skyfather (assuming a mean CR of about 200 for Skyfathers), but not wholly out of their league.

A Skyfather on his home turf should be strong enough to deter Galactus from eating their favored homeworlds.

Odin should give him a good run.

Although Galactus is an interesting case, at full consumption I could see 'him' at something higher than CR 400.

I dunno, I see him losing a HD/Level per day when he does not eat a planet. Some of his powers also accelerate his hunger in this way.

Good deal -- this thread gets a lot of views (and I suspect it's not just from people who post) and you're well known and connected, so any concerns about product exposure are probably misplaced.

Well I wouldn't necessarily say well known or connected, but I appreciate the love dude!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Impeesa mate!

Took long enough for someone else to pick up on it. Careful or you'll be scooped.

*cough* tortoise, hare, etc.

I'd like to think more like a vorpal bunny than a hare.

 

[Knight Otu]

Hiya, UK!

What formula were you using to determine the level of epic spells again? I think it was (Spellcraft DC)/10 + 7, right? I'm thinking about using it for my Revised Planar Ruler template.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya, UK!

Hey Knight Otu mate!

What formula were you using to determine the level of epic spells again? I think it was (Spellcraft DC)/10 + 7, right?

Yes thats right.

I'm thinking about using it for my Revised Planar Ruler template.

Sweet!

It is a bit unwieldy though. As you yourself note, its possibly the largest template in the world.

Some of those Planar Abilities seem a touch powerful (given that they are effectively representing feats). Improved Natural Armour for instance.