the Kyri Chronicles - last updated 22 Oct

[Darklone]

Yeah that whirlwind in darkness ... Our fighters use it regularly. Since the DM loves devils and demons (we hate them), they often get the opportunity for it.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Something else I ought to mention - I changed the whip so that in my campaign it is a melee weapon with a range of 15ft - so that it can be used to make AoO within that range. To my mind making it an exotic weapon and then having it as a ranged weapon with a 15ft range which can't even hurt most targets was just... weak.

After all, why do lion tamers use whips? why are whips good at holding people/creatures at bay? I think the AoO bit works well here (although in reality it is the stinging pain bit that helps keep people away too!)

Cheers

 

[Darklone]

It's a reasonable change as long as the players don't abuse it

 

[Plane Sailing]

Well, none of the players use it at present, and nobody seems likely to take it up either... so it seems I'm safe at the moment!

I suppose one potential benefit of having it as a "missile" weapon is that it is quicker to get "rapid shot" in order to get two cracks off in succession... but you are still going to be within 15ft of an angry enemy, which doesn't seem too cool.

Also, even if you are a rogue with a +10d6 sneak attack, you (apparently) can't hurt someone wearing armour with a defensive value of +1 (or natural armour of +3 or more).

Anyway, enough digression, on with story!

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Perfectly reasonable restriction, really. You just can't whip someone through a suit of armor, after all.

The LASHER prestige class addresses a lot of those problems. If you are going to use a whip, you really need to take that PrC.

I can't believe none of your players was enticed by the lovely whip availabe in Of Sound Mind!

 

[Plane Sailing]

Perfectly reasonable restriction, really. You just can't whip someone through a suit of armor, after all.

The LASHER prestige class addresses a lot of those problems. If you are going to use a whip, you really need to take that PrC.

I can't believe none of your players was enticed by the lovely whip availabe in Of Sound Mind!

I don't like the lasher prestige class - it just seems a lot of neat abilities, and doesn't fit my notion (and dare I say the DMG notion!) of prestige class reflecting certain prestigous organisations or groups.

What I'm likely to do is turn key lasher abilities into feats that anyone could take. Essentially I would allow the "wound" ability to be given to anyone with the exotic weapon proficiency to use the whip (non proficient users just get the standard subdual attack) and I'd allow the "third hand" as a feat since that is just plain cool. I think I would allow a Whip Stunning Attack feat too, although I'd need to work out details that I was happy with for that.

Regarding the lovely whip in OSM... they never found it! They spent some time looking at the mound of rocks with small pebbles occasionally tumbling down it - and left it alone!

(or was it the room they collapsed?)

 

[Darklone]

Hmm. My char loved to use a whip as tripping wire against horses (though that's ridiculously impossible in 3rd ed), climbing help and to disarm opponents.

Why doing damage ?

 

[KidCthulhu]

You do all know why that whip was there, right? PC is playing a lasher in Sagiro's game, and he really wishes the whip were a cooler weapon. Hence the not so subtle whip propaganda and propigation.

[sits back and waits resignedly for the inevitable comments about PC and whips.]

 

[Plane Sailing]

[sits back and waits resignedly for the inevitable comments about PC and whips.]

Are whips PC? I would have thought they were very un-PC

- I think whips have been cool ever since Indiana Jones and the raiders of the lost ark! What rogue would want to be without one? Except, of course, they suck in 3e without additions like the lasher

 

[Plane Sailing]

Incidentally, I've only got one day left to attempt to complete my one-page summary for the WotC Fantasy Setting Proposal! I've got no real illusions of success, because I don't think my world would be unique enough for them... still, I have to give it a try, eh?

If nothing else, its good practice for thinking about the overall issues of the campaign.

Cheers