The Matrix

My own theory is that Zion is also inside the Matrix. There are so many incoherent small things here and there, that let suggest that outside the matrix is actually a "dream" too, and thus must be inside the matrix. For me, Zion appears to be the "garbage can" where bad files (humans who want to be free) are put. When it is full, it is emptied with machines coming and killing everyone in Zion (i.e.: erasing the bad files).
 

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I think I get what was being said and I think I could still nit pick it on some level but I at least understand it better. Or I have an idea, which is all I wanted.

I remember not completely understanding everything the architect said the first time but did the second time around. I think it was easier knowing what was to happen.

Still not completely sure what the anamoly that was Smith but that's okay. I can still enjoy the movies.

I agree, that the first one is COOL and the others have some aspects of cool to them but no where near what the first one is!

Again, my thanks!

Have a good one! Take care!

edg
 

Turanil said:
My own theory is that Zion is also inside the Matrix. There are so many incoherent small things here and there, that let suggest that outside the matrix is actually a "dream" too, and thus must be inside the matrix. For me, Zion appears to be the "garbage can" where bad files (humans who want to be free) are put. When it is full, it is emptied with machines coming and killing everyone in Zion (i.e.: erasing the bad files).

My first theory, after seeing #2 in the theatre, was that the machines had created two levels of the matrix. One was the normal one and the other was the outside world. Both were being used to foster the illusion of choice. It also explained how the one could influence the machines outside of the matrix. Obviously, this was wrong but I thought it was cool.

I like your idea as well! Very funny! Thanks!

Have a good one! Take care!

edg
 

Turanil said:
My own theory is that Zion is also inside the Matrix. There are so many incoherent small things here and there, that let suggest that outside the matrix is actually a "dream" too, and thus must be inside the matrix. For me, Zion appears to be the "garbage can" where bad files (humans who want to be free) are put. When it is full, it is emptied with machines coming and killing everyone in Zion (i.e.: erasing the bad files).

Damn I never thought of it like that. I like that theory. :)
 


Here's how I understood it, based on what both Smith & the Architect said:

The Matrix was formed because an unoccupied human mind can't survive, and the machines needed us*. The first Matrix was designed to look like a utopia... but humans couldn't accept that, and died or went insane. The machines designed a second Matrix to appear like human civilization just before the rise of the machines, and it worked.

Mostly.

The problem was, the Matrix wasn't perfect. Glitches, like the black cat, caused some people to question the reality of their existence and discover the truth. The machines found it difficult to isolate and eliminate these "rebels," and hit upon an idea. They would allow a few of these people to slip free of the Matrix and form their own enclave, where most of them would be isolated in one place. This became Zion.

As part of the plan, they also introduced the concept of The One. Knowing that the growing numbers in Zion could eventually become a threat, they hit upon an idea to 'cull' the population of Zion every once in a while. One individual would not only be shown the truth, they would be given additional software in the Matrix to allow them even greater power than normal. This person would then lead the rebellion, right up until the pivotal moment where they would be guided into confronting the Architect.

At this point, due to the Architect's guidance, they would be given the choice of either saving humanity as a whole while sacrificing Zion, or trying to fight back in what would become the end of humanity. After they chose to abandon Zion, they would be allowed to pick a certain number of people to begin a brand new Zion, with no knowledge of the previous one. I would assume that, at this point, the One would be killed to preserve the secret.

However, it didn't work right this time. My personal belief is that the Oracle has also been subtly manipulating things, specifically in her teaching of Morpheus and Trinity. This time, the One did things a little differently. Perhaps Neo picked up on his powers a little quicker, or found some quirk in the programming... whatever happened, he awakened to his abilities and managed to alter Smith without fully destroying him. In addition, he fell in love with Trinity, altering his purpose.

That's what led to the breakdown in their plan. With Neo no longer bound by the need to save humanity alone, and the Virus-Smith on the loose, the Machines had lost control of their plan. To them, the only option was to allow the Matrix to be undone and to destroy Zion... but Neo offered them an alternative. In sacrificing himself, he gave the Machines a way to access Virus-Smith's program and essentially find an anti-virus to wipe him out. The price being that they would give up their control of humanity, and work with us to find a way to live together.

* The whole "human battery" thing was a bit silly. From what I understand, the original story involved humanity acting as a huge processing system for the Machines, using our brains to help them have essentially unlimited CPUs... but some executives decided that would go over too many people's heads, and went with the "power source" idea. Bleh.
 

Rackhir said:
Well, if I understand what they were telling us, "The One" arising indicates that the matrix is reaching a crisis point and will have to be rebooted. There was a lot of vague talk about The One being an attempt to balance the equation and some other double talk that didn't make a great deal of sense.

It is simple - the Matrix, upon which the machines depends for no good technical reason, runs Windows AE (Armageddon Edition). It can't be left running indefinitely without getting into an unstable state. Reassimilating The One Is how the system reboots :)

Though they made it clear that the free humans were wiped out when The One arose, however they didn't really make it clear why.

Those humans are allowed to be free in the first place only because they are necessary for the emergence of The One, so that The One may make his choice by free will. If they were not necessary, the machines could just eject the malcontents from the Matrix and kil them.

When The One has done his job, the free humans serve no more purpose. While they may not be a threat at the moment, if allowed to continue and grow they might become a nuisance. Call their elimination "preventive maintenence".
 
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Kesh did a very good job of explaining what was going on, though to clear things up a bit I'll add that as he said the first program was a Utopia that was rejected by the human mind, the second matrix program was more more like the one we see, but also failed. After teh second matrix the Oracle came up with the idea of giving the humans some level of choice in their lives that mostly fix the problem (i.e. the 99.9% of people accept it, with the 0.1% being what necessitates the One protocol).

Kesh said:
However, it didn't work right this time. My personal belief is that the Oracle has also been subtly manipulating things, specifically in her teaching of Morpheus and Trinity. This time, the One did things a little differently. Perhaps Neo picked up on his powers a little quicker, or found some quirk in the programming... whatever happened, he awakened to his abilities and managed to alter Smith without fully destroying him. In addition, he fell in love with Trinity, altering his purpose.

Well based on what is said in the movie, in particular the little exchange between the Oracle and the Architect at the end of Revolutions, I think it is clear that it was the Oracles plan and that the Architect was in on it from the beginning (of this cycle that is). So how things turned out was no accident, and that was her hope all along, though she had no way of being sure if it would actually work out right.

It is also this scene that makes me think Neo isn't really dead and pretty much clinches that he is the One in each cycle.

As for Smith, the Architect told Neo that he was the "sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation," so if Neo is one, you would subtract one to balance things out. So, Smith's existence is critical in bringing true balance to the Matrix that the Architect's solution just didn't do. Apparently whenever he encounter a proble with the system he found it easier to just reboot it than actually fix it.
 

Umbran said:
Those humans are allowed to be free in the first place only because they are necessary for the emergence of The One, so that The One may make his choice by free will. If they were not necessary, the machines could just eject the malcontents from the Matrix and kil them.

I think it's the other way around, once a certain number of people accumalte the One emerges to reboot the system and all of the malcontents are wipe out in one fell swoop. Doing it this way, allows all of the rubish to collect in one place ensuring that you get all of it and there aren't any that escape notice to continue being a problem.

From what we see in the movies, the machinces aren't too good at hunting the humans, who do a pretty good job staying alive to cause trouble.
 

Turanil said:
My own theory is that Zion is also inside the Matrix. There are so many incoherent small things here and there, that let suggest that outside the matrix is actually a "dream" too, and thus must be inside the matrix. For me, Zion appears to be the "garbage can" where bad files (humans who want to be free) are put. When it is full, it is emptied with machines coming and killing everyone in Zion (i.e.: erasing the bad files).

A visual came to mind of a machine going into the start menu and running disk clean-up, slowly seeing the green bar fill and then pressing yes when promted if it was sure it wanted to delete the humans.
 

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