The New Forgotten Realms - (About) A Year Later

Golarion and Paizo APs absolutely rock, because not only is the art, writing and maps all top notch in my eyes; the world is also pretty well-designed, "sandbox-y" and represents the "shades of grey" morality rather than "black-and-white". The difference to FR canon is that Paizo products generally detail only a couple of locations within each area, concentrating on "what is the stuff most useful to most DMs" instead of minutiae (and since I've already got FR for this, I don't need it here -- and if I occasionally *do* need precise details, I can apply my FR lore to Golarion). What I also love is their online support for their stuff -- I can actually tell my players to download the Player's Guide and say that it's what their PCs know without having to "infodump" them myself (whether they read it or not is up to them). All in all it's a beautifully executed concept that appeals to hard core FR fans like myself (there's enough lore to fulfill my needs most of the time) and those do not care about minutiae (the canon lore does not seek to encompass everything). :)

Uhm...isn't this exactly what WotC did with 4E FR? They now give a general overview of the area and add a small bit of specifics before moving onto the next. So someone coming to 4E FR for the first time, w/o the expectation of all the canonical detail from prior editions can look at it pretty evenly compared with other settings. I'm sure it irritates those who liked the huge amounts of details, but obviously WotC felt the others who said it was getting to be too much and people felt hemmed in were correct and they did what they felt was needed to open the setting up.

Now FR is sandboxy and there is no need to infodump. You can let them read the Player's Guide and maybe give them a few more specifics about the area you end up playing in, since they would be more familiar w/that area.e FRPG doesn't detail the world at large, but it does cover all the gods and all the aspects needed for creating characters, which is what it should do :)
 

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Uhm...isn't this exactly what WotC did with 4E FR? They now give a general overview of the area and add a small bit of specifics before moving onto the next. So someone coming to 4E FR for the first time, w/o the expectation of all the canonical detail from prior editions can look at it pretty evenly compared with other settings. I'm sure it irritates those who liked the huge amounts of details, but obviously WotC felt the others who said it was getting to be too much and people felt hemmed in were correct and they did what they felt was needed to open the setting up.

Now FR is sandboxy and there is no need to infodump. You can let them read the Player's Guide and maybe give them a few more specifics about the area you end up playing in, since they would be more familiar w/that area.e FRPG doesn't detail the world at large, but it does cover all the gods and all the aspects needed for creating characters, which is what it should do :)

Well, I personally wouldn't compare the two in the same phrase; YMMV, of course. I *have* read the FRCG, and I found it to be... well, lacking in quality (plus the new FR seems a bit too "black and white" in morality for my taste). And the amount of information in Paizo's APs and Player's Guides would require several long DDI articles; I don't have a subscription, so I can't comment on how good those FR pieces really are, but I have a feeling (and this is, again, just my personal opinion) that Paizo is utilizing better writers, and I also feel that WoTC staffers don't have any emotional attachment to FR (which would also explain the "bland" tone in the books). Besides, didn't they remove most of the RW cultures from FR, i.e. Mulhorand, Maztica, Bedine etcetera? Where would you place an Al-Qadim or Egyptean-themed adventure? Or a Ravenloft module? Golarion has Qadira, Katapesh, Osirion and Ustalav for these purposes to mention a few examples. What about "less evil fighting evil"? You know, if I did sandboxing, I think I would prefer Golarion to 4E FR any day. YMMV, naturally.
 


I wish I could add more to this discussion, but as someone who had never played in the Realms before, and traded some books for the FRPG and FRCG (because people claimed it was so much better for people new to the realms), I have to say... The 4e FR have to be one of the most boring set of books I have tried to read through, if anything they made me decide to stick with Eberron for the foreseeable future. Though I am curious to get my hands on a 3e FRCS book now.
 


Wouldn't that be a bit too "Paragon-y" for low level PCs? I mean, isn't planehopping meant for Paragon Tier mainly?

Feywild and Shadowfell are actually meant to support planehopping at the heroic tier already. An example is in Scales of War.
 
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I wish I could add more to this discussion, but as someone who had never played in the Realms before, and traded some books for the FRPG and FRCG (because people claimed it was so much better for people new to the realms), I have to say... The 4e FR have to be one of the most boring set of books I have tried to read through, if anything they made me decide to stick with Eberron for the foreseeable future. Though I am curious to get my hands on a 3e FRCS book now.

If your playing 4e I'd suggest this

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The 3e books offer nothing better than this unless your looking for 3e mechanics. Although out of print it is obtainable.
 

Wouldn't that be a bit too "Paragon-y" for low level PCs? I mean, isn't planehopping meant for Paragon Tier mainly?
At-will plane hopping doesn't really get started until the Paragon level, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist before then. It just mostly takes a quest to get there (or cosmicly bad luck, in the case of Ravenloft) instead of a ritual and some residuum. Note that one of the domains of dread published so far for 4e is Heroic tier.
 

and I also feel that WoTC staffers don't have any emotional attachment to FR (which would also explain the "bland" tone in the books).

Of the current WotC writing team, I believe that only Rich Baker has any real experience working on FR prior to 4e. And while it's not necessarily a universally shared opinion among online FR fans, I quite liked most of what Baker did during the 3e phase of the setting.
 

If your playing 4e I'd suggest this

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The 3e books offer nothing better than this unless your looking for 3e mechanics. Although out of print it is obtainable.

Grrrr. Bring back those old PDF's WotC. Though I still might get the 3e book, since I play 3.x (Pathfinder) and 4e.
 

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