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There was anachronistic armor, sure, but Homer's interpretation of the bronze age, and classical interpretation of the past in general, were full of anachronism left, right, and center. Making it all bronze age accurate would be a far greater slight to the source material than what they did.
I it’s not so much the armour being anachronistic, my issue is it’s bog-standard Hollywood-Greek. It’s fine, but I would have liked to see something a bit more original from such a big name director.

But then del Toro’s Frankenstein was also an on the nose obvious interpretation. Maybe obvious is the new originality?
 

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I it’s not so much the armour being anachronistic, my issue is it’s bog-standard Hollywood-Greek. It’s fine, but I would have liked to see something a bit more original from such a big name director.

But then del Toro’s Frankenstein was also an on the nose obvious interpretation. Maybe obvious is the new originality?
the nerve of a director going with what most people think the time period looked like rather than what it was actually like.
 

the nerve of a director going with what most people think the time period looked like rather than what it was actually like.
It's not a case of "what it was actually like", since its fair to say very little of it actually happened. Its a case of going with with what all the other movies based on this and related stories have looked like since the year dot, rather than doing something original. This movie looks identical to one made in the 1950s aside from having better FX. Any old hack director could have made it.
 

There was anachronistic armor, sure, but Homer's interpretation of the bronze age, and classical interpretation of the past in general, were full of anachronism left, right, and center. Making it all bronze age accurate would be a far greater slight to the source material than what they did.
I'm glad to see someone note this. Reddit coverage of the movie has been saturated with self-satisfied nerd-ragers making sure everyone else knows they know a thing (the Dendra panoply and boar tusk helmets, but also that the statues would be painted instead of bare white marble, etc.). It's apparently yelling-fire-to-order-troops-to-shoot-their-bows level of triggering for some. Which would be fine, of course--everyone has their own lines. It just seems 1) like people decided ahead of time that they weren't going to like the thing and went out looking for things to be upset about it, and 2) a bandwagon/sharks smelling blood in the water. I haven't had much faith in recent movies by any existing name big-budget directors, so I already lean towards the likelihood that this won't be great. However, it really feels like it has acquired a hate-dom well ahead of us knowing anything about it.

No, not all of his fans are bros by any means, but there's a large number of men whose identity is wrapped up, in part, in being big fans of "cinema," which turns out to be The Godfather, Scarface, Fight Club and anything Christopher Nolan does. If you look for online discussion of his works, it's often drenched in testosterone.
Nolan (and Snyder, to name another example) seem to have developed fandoms that other people who like their movies feel compelled to make clear they aren't part of ('sure, I'm a Nolan fan, but not one of those Nolan fans'). As you point out, it does seem to be associated with the... association of his work with the man-o-sphere (and perhaps legitimization thereof?). Interesting then that Ridley Scott (who directed an actual movie about gladiators) doesn't fall into the same category.
I it’s not so much the armour being anachronistic, my issue is it’s bog-standard Hollywood-Greek. It’s fine, but I would have liked to see something a bit more original from such a big name director.

But then del Toro’s Frankenstein was also an on the nose obvious interpretation. Maybe obvious is the new originality?
I think big name directors doing the unobvious (particularly in big budget movies) has, overall, been kind of the outlier we maybe got overused to for a while. Nolan himself being part of that trend -- hot off the accolades for The Prestige he went with a brain-bender like Inception. That's a real example of big name director going for originality. But I think a much more overall prevalent model is something like 90s Spielberg going to Jurassic Park -- a masterpiece of filmmaking, but literally one of the first things your 5 year old who just discovered that movies have to get made would suggest doing once the technology was possible. Same with earlier eras and directors like Mankiewicz and movies like Cleopatra.

As for del Toro's Frankenstein, I think that it's an opposite* of originality, it's something he'd been wanting to be able to do his whole life. I can totally see 17 year old high school del Toro** doing a senior thesis on how Frankenstein is the real monster (heck, a proverbial third of future lit majors and film students I know seem to have had that as at least a term paper, or otherwise are intensely familiar with the story like it was a formative work). That it took until 2025 and someone like del Toro to say, 'as much as I love the Boris Karloff interpretation, do you think we could try to hew a little closer*** to the book for this one?' is a testament to the influence the Karloff version had (or more likely that we're forgetting the many times it has been tried in the past, just not as big budget event films).
*maybe not polar opposite, but on the other side of the compass.
**I know nothing about 1980s Mexican high school, this is interpretation.
***it's worth mentioning that in the book itself, both doctor and creature are absolute monsters.


I think we're in a weird spot for cinema, a handful of years since the pandemic disrupted movie-going habits (and streaming moved a tick or two down the line on its journey from hot new thing to ubiquitous market-shaper). No one knows what's going to sell, and people are randomly jumping back and forth between safe, conservative bets and wild ambitious projects. It'll be interesting to see how things go.
 

I can totally see 17 year old high school del Toro** doing a senior thesis on how Frankenstein is the real monster (heck, a proverbial third of future lit majors and film students I know seem to have had that as at least a term paper, or otherwise are intensely familiar with the story like it was a formative work). That it took until 2025 and someone like del Toro to say, 'as much as I love the Boris Karloff interpretation, do you think we could try to hew a little closer*** to the book for this one?' is a testament to the influence the Karloff version had (or more likely that we're forgetting the many times it has been tried
But has del Toro never seen the Peter Cushing films (Hammer)?! Cushing plays Victor Frankenstein as a thorough villain from the start, willing to resort to murder in order to pursue his experiments. And the Hammer films used a lurid palette and OTT sets, very similar to the del Toro film. The only thing they didn’t have was a sexy monster.
 

But has del Toro never seen the Peter Cushing films (Hammer)?! Cushing plays Victor Frankenstein as a thorough villain from the start, willing to resort to murder in order to pursue his experiments. And the Hammer films used a lurid palette and OTT sets, very similar to the del Toro film. The only thing they didn’t have was a sexy monster.
I'd guess yes. In either case, I would argue that there are differences. Both films do better than the Universal movies (at least the 1931 one) in showing Doctor Frankenstein as evil, but the del Toro version switches it up by making the monster nigh blameless. He is only mistaken for having killed the blind man in the forest. In both movies Victor is the one that accidentally kills Elizabeth, but in the Hammer version it happens while the monster is threatening her, while in the del Toro one he is not. He later frees the Horisont from the ice. Moreover, Victor in the del Toro version does not kill Dr. Bernstein or (have the creature kill) Justine. He dies not by execution for Elizabeth's death (retcon survives in the sequel), but instead in a sorta book accurate slow death in the arctic at a research vessel. There's substantive differences in how each movie portrays both characters, their relationship to wrongdoing, and their comeuppance/lack thereof. They both have similarities to, and differences from, both the novel and the movies that came before them. I would not call del Toro's version groundbreaking, but I'd also not consider it a carbon copy of the Hammer interpretation.
 

It's not a case of "what it was actually like", since its fair to say very little of it actually happened. Its a case of going with with what all the other movies based on this and related stories have looked like since the year dot, rather than doing something original. This movie looks identical to one made in the 1950s aside from having better FX. Any old hack director could have made it.
So, you just want a different movie or a in name only adaptation of The Odyssey
 

So, you just want a different movie or a in name only adaptation of The Odyssey
No, there is a lot of nuance and room for interpretation in the text. It’s been done in space, in 20th century Dublin, from the perspective of Penelope, Circe and Calypso etc. There are a very great many ways to do the Odyssey that don’t involve using tied old cliches. I wouldn’t even mind something cliche-ridden if it wasn’t some big name director putting it out.
 

Nolan (and Snyder, to name another example) seem to have developed fandoms that other people who like their movies feel compelled to make clear they aren't part of ('sure, I'm a Nolan fan, but not one of those Nolan fans'). As you point out, it does seem to be associated with the... association of his work with the man-o-sphere (and perhaps legitimization thereof?). Interesting then that Ridley Scott (who directed an actual movie about gladiators) doesn't fall into the same category.
Yeah, Nolan is a top tier modern filmmaker, so being a fan of his shouldn't necessarily be a defining personal trait -- probably most movie fans are fans of his work. But just like certain other directors (Tarantino back in the 1990s, Paul Thomas Anderson in the present, among others), there are people who build their identity in part around being a fan of the guy. And given how private Nolan is generally, it's not clear how he attracted this sort of cult of personality, although it probably helps that his films all deal with "manly" subjects, including this one.
I think we're in a weird spot for cinema, a handful of years since the pandemic disrupted movie-going habits (and streaming moved a tick or two down the line on its journey from hot new thing to ubiquitous market-shaper). No one knows what's going to sell, and people are randomly jumping back and forth between safe, conservative bets and wild ambitious projects. It'll be interesting to see how things go.
Yeah, I think we forget how close the US theater system was to collapse during the pandemic. And between streaming and AI, the existential threats haven't gone anywhere.

There's no guarantee that the movie industry will look anything like it does today 10 years from now, and there's nothing like a consensus on how things are going to shake out, other than consolidation seeming likely. It wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking, that people were predicting with a straight face that we would all be watching movies at home on curved TVs with 3D goggles strapped to our faces.
 

It's not a case of "what it was actually like", since its fair to say very little of it actually happened. Its a case of going with with what all the other movies based on this and related stories have looked like since the year dot, rather than doing something original. This movie looks identical to one made in the 1950s aside from having better FX. Any old hack director could have made it.
I guess one element is that even Christopher Nolan isn’t going to get a lot of bums on seats with a film version of the Odyssey, and so the incentive is to make it fairly predictable so that people go and see what they expect to see.

Or he could have a lot of fun with it and make it an obvious cinematic spectacular with a lot of SFX, snark, and explosions (which is ironically still closer to the original text than most versions), but that is so far from Nolan’s style that it’s really not worth trying. Pity, I’d like to see Dwayne Johnson’s eyebrow as Odysseus.
 

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