The Problem with Star Wars

[Orius]

And below all of THAT are the Lord of the Rings Movies so NYAH! NYAH NYAH!

Interesting to see those with the numbers adjusted for inflation.

Take into account that many of the highest films on the list are older movies that have had decades to make money. And a lot of the old classics were often rereleased to theaters, which gives them more opprotunity to make money. Many of the results on the adjusted list frankly aren't that surprising.

OTOH, the Lord of the Rings trilogy hasn't even been out for 5 years. And with technology like VCRs and more recently DVD players and such, newer movies aren't as likely to be rereleased to cinemas, when people can just rent or buy a copy when they feel like watching them. So overall ticket sales for a more recent film will be lower, even if the money made if higher.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Take into account that many of the highest films on the list are older movies that have had decades to make money. And a lot of the old classics were often rereleased to theaters, which gives them more opprotunity to make money. Many of the results on the adjusted list frankly aren't that surprising.

OTOH, the Lord of the Rings trilogy hasn't even been out for 5 years. And with technology like VCRs and more recently DVD players and such, newer movies aren't as likely to be rereleased to cinemas, when people can just rent or buy a copy when they feel like watching them. So overall ticket sales for a more recent film will be lower, even if the money made if higher.

Even so...

Haha!

 

[barsoomcore]

It's more along the lines of something I didn't see anyone state and that certain people needed to be reminded of: movies can make money, even LOTS of money, even if they suck

Are you referring to specific people in this thread? Are you afraid to mention them by name? That's unfortunate. Or are you referring to people NOT in this thread? In which case posting in this thread seems like a curious strategy.

Don't worry, I'll have hurt your feelings before this is over. I argue rather agressively.

Okay, I'll cease worrying on that score. And feel free to step up the aggression, there. I'm expecting big things.

 

[Berandor]

This is true.

However people in this thread are going WAY beyond that level. What they are doing is tantamount to sending Jordan a letter that reads like this:
(snip)

Well, nobody's writing a letter to Lucas, is he?

But you don't know how often I've sat in front of the TV and argued that Kobe Bryant should pass more, and shouldn't force so many shots. I've argued about the correct path of politics, about design decisions in role-playing books (WotC should have made Toughness better!), about screenplays to movies, and more.

It's fun! Tellung us such arguments are pointless is beside the point - we know it's pointless. It's still fun to try and decipher the weaknesses we perceive and their causes. Since I'll probably never make a big budget movie like Star Wars, discussing other people's movies is my only option.

 

[Flyspeck23]

It's his house, and he will paint it whatever color he wants, because he built it with his own hands. When it was going up everyone told him it was ugly and that it would fall down before he could move in.

But it didn't, and now that everyone sees how beautiful and sturdy it is, they want him to paint it yellow.

Yes, the house was both beautiful and sturdy. But then, a few years later, he starts adding balconies (literally hundreds of them) to the house, and applies a new paint - pink.
Now people are telling him how ugly it is after they've seen it. It might still be sturdy, though, but arguably not as much as before.

Your metaphor ends after RotJ. It shouldn't.

 

[LilMissKittyn]

Hey, my house is pink! (Not by choice, the people before us decided it would be a great idea to tile it in pink stone....)

Thank you to Wolv0rine and barsoomcore for making my argument for me. I really couldn't say it better myself.

I tried to post before and it didn't post....? Idk, here's the message in brief again.

Ok, chill on the insults there, Ankh-Morpork Guard. Half of that post, again, if you had read carefully, was meant to tell you that OF COURSE I have an enormous ego. I'm an artist in every major field, and a good one at that. The difference between pointing out I have a huge ego (I'm stubborn, too) and pointing out that Lucas has a huge ego is that Lucas is a semi-god, and nobody will question him. If my manager at work says something stupid, but says he'll fire me if I don't do it, I'll say, "yes, sir, right away, sir." Lucas has power. Think of him as a larger-scale pointy-haired boss (reference to Dilbert, but I assume you know that.)
Don't you just love my analogies? At least it doesn't refer to house-painting.

Your posts come down to two things, that it has to be good, since it made a lot of money, and that Lucas should be revered as a god of sci-fi. Look at the tone of your posts on the second one, I think you'll see what I mean.

As for it having to be good to make a lot of money, I hope to God that Pokemon isn't good because it made a lot of money. Or Digimon, or Yu-Gi-Oh. Porn makes a LOT of money. Does that make it tasteful?

Think about your argument again.

@barsoomcore
[sblock] Lol, yes, some people in this thread can't read thoroughly. Apparently you're not one of them. What insults would you like, you worthless piece of crap?
(J/k). [/sblock]

 

[Flyspeck23]

(snip) Lucas is a semi-god (snip)

I need more input... divine rank, portfolio, domains...

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Your posts come down to two things, that it has to be good, since it made a lot of money, and that Lucas should be revered as a god of sci-fi. Look at the tone of your posts on the second one, I think you'll see what I mean.

Seems I'm not good at getting my point across. My point isn't that is has to be good since it makes a lot of money...but that Lucas HAS TO BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT. No matter what anyone says about his directing/etc, he's obviously doing it right because all the evidence points to that. The only thing not pointing to it are a bunch of people all over the internet who complain...but really, isn't that what the internet was made for in the first place?

And I don't believe Lucas should be revered as a God, but he should get a lot more respect than he does. Without Lucas, movies would be so very different that its impossible to imagine. THX, Skywalker Sound, ILM. Watch the credits of all the movies you see and you'll usually catch at least one of those in there. Heck, without Lucas, Pixar wouldn't exist.

So, if anything, he should be revered as the God of Modern Movies.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

I need more input... divine rank, portfolio, domains...

...be careful, I might have to pull out D&Dg and stat him out.

 

[fanboy2000]

Every time someone says "bad movies can still make lots of money" what they mean is "movies I don't like still make money."

Porn makes a LOT of money. Does that make it tasteful?

Woah, there! There's a big diffrence between good and tasteful. Kevin Smith movies are good, but they are not tasteful.

The best way to judge whether or not a movie is successful (good a bit to subjective) is whether or not it fulfills the purpose the director had in mind for it. When I listen to Lucas' comentaries on the Star Wars films to date, it seems he had a lot of goals in mind while making each of the movie. It seems obvious that he suceeded in some goals and failed in others.

I'm suprised no one has mentiond The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles in defending Lucas. I loved that series.