The Return of House Rules: A Fractured Community

[MThibault]

Of course, the implication is that you will have to be familiar with both. And be familiar enough with both that you can keep them separate once play has begun. ("I take a 5' step diagonally through the door." "Nope, 3.5 remember.")

Like I said, I don't think that the sky is falling so you don't need to lay on the derision.

Cheers

 

[Desdichado]

Not derision, my friend, just good-natured sarcasm -- and not directed at you, really, just at the climate in general. Although my own interest in 3.5 is fairly lukewarm, I find the social phenomena associated with it's release to be monumentally fascinating.

 

[Uder]

If you are using d20 and OGL products, you are using house rules. OMG! You're fracturing the community!

 

[MThibault]

Not derision, my friend, just good-natured sarcasm -- and not directed at you, really, just at the climate in general. Although my own interest in 3.5 is fairly lukewarm, I find the social phenomena associated with it's release to be monumentally fascinating.

Fair enough. No offense taken. The long and the short of it is that change is stressful. I don't think exaggeration from either camp is really productive. And putting Mutants and Masterminds on the same tier as D&D (any edition), or implying that you won't know whether to bring your d20 Modern books or your M&M books to a session when you get a voicemail saying "We're playing d20 Modern tonight at 8:00" are both clearly exageration.

*shrugs* I like what I've read of 3.5 so far. I agree with Mr. Cook that it will be a bumpier transition from 3e to 3.5 than it was between 2e and 3e. But I think that 3.5 is a better introduction to the game (in a lot of ways) than 3e was.

Cheers

 

[LGodamus]

I am still in the wait and see camp on pretty much everything...I just hope Monte is wrong about 4th ed being on the horizon so soon.....I am too poor to be milked that often

 

[Ralts Bloodthorne]

OH NO! 3.5 is coming, and we're all going to get West Nile Virus and DIE!!! The Gubberment is going to come and take my dog house! The Men in Black are going to steal my toenails!!!

Please.

Fractured community?
Have you read these boards? We've almost come to blows over the stupidest things, and a simple miswording in a book has resulted in hundreds of arguements. I've heard all of the "sacred cow" and "nerf" and "munchkin" and "powergamer" and "minimalist" accusations.

As for houseruling, well, I've been houseruling since we bought Eldritch Wizardry. We've used mage sigils, arcane burn, homebrewed sorcerers, non-memorization for clerics, etc etc.

Homebrewed campaigns often lead to houseruling, as do adjusting the rules to fix the gamer's view of what D&D should be like.

Come on, this isn't some horrible tradegy...
2E wasn't that bad, at least not to me. But I houseruled. 1E wasn't bad, and I houseruled that. The ink hadn't even dried on my 3E books and I was houseruling.

Plus, I have faith in my players. They're smart kids and adults. Hell, my 11 year old has been keeping up on the changes, and she doesn't seem to have any problem. She thinks some are dumb, and others were probably made by: "doody-heads who never play the game" but that's her opinion.

Fracture an already fractured community?
Sorry, we're already fractured. And it'll be play 3.5E, or don't play at all within a year.

About all I worry about is whether or not 4E will now be released around Christmastime, rather than 2010.
But that's me, I'm paraniod.

So, quit your bitching, before I come to your house and burn your Yu-Gi-Oh cards.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I don't really care about what it will do to message board communications, because the people who communicate on them are fairly smart people who care about learning the rules. What I care about is that come fall, I have to find people to play with who want to play the same way I do, and that includes what I want from 3.0 and what I want from 3.5.

And quite frankly, we won't even know we agree or disagree on some things at first and I don't like pulling the ol' "I'm the DM, live with it" speech. I just want to be able to find someone who wants to play D&D and not have to worry about what version they play. *sigh*

I like the new rules, but I don't like the increased politics that might arise in my own group. Am I being pessimistic? Maybe, but this is not why I game.

 

[HellHound]

Some of us are tired about all the positive hype about a rules update that no one has played

Once again, I call you out as false. Many 3rd party developers have been working with the 3.5e pre-release books and many of those developers have been playing games with them.

 

[Kevin O'Reilly]

Although I have no desire to participate in what is becoming a venomous debate, I do have a question:

Is Enworld going 3.5e? I mean primarily in its rules forum? Will it have two fora?

Kevin

 

[Henry]

The current consensus is to ask people to just use a [3.0] or [3.5] tag on their thread topics, to note it. However, the jury is still out, and I doubt the Admins are even going to think about it too hard until a couple weeks after Gencon.

So, the best advice right now is, use your tags, ladies and gentlemen!