Charlaquin
Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
I’m not sure what part of my post you think is an appeal to popularity...As I've said, I'm suspicious of appeals to popularity in any form.
You seem to keep forgetting that I am a 4e fan. I know very well what it meant, and what it still means. And yes, I, like many other 4e fans, gave 5e its fair shake, and came to understand and appreciate it for what it is. Heck, I’ve probably run more 5e than I have 4e at this point. But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t leap at the promise of a game that continues to improve on the innovations 4e made instead of throwing them out with the bathwater. And I don’t think I’m alone in that.On top of that, consider what it meant to be a 4e fan. It meant you gave the new ed a fair chance, even when negative reviews cane out, even as the edition war heated up, and misinformation became common wisdom. They gave it enough if a chance to come to understand and appreciate a very different game.
4e fans may be disappointed in 5e in some ways, but, past behavior indicates they'll've given it every chance. And, while it's not the best or most ambitious D&D ever, it is studiedly, the most conventional and least offensive, and it is not at all hard to come to understand and appreciate. If you doubt that 4e fans are OK with 5e, I offer the lack of edition warring against 5e as evidence - the harshest critics if 5e are 3.5/PF fans.
Lots of 4e fans did adopt 13th age. I would consider that evidence that many 4e fans are eager for a game that builds on 4e’s best ideas. 13th age just didn’t happen to be that game for me. The ways in which it is like 4e we’re not the ways that are important to me. PF2 is looking like it might resemble 4e in ways that do matter to me.If an alternative that was kinda maybe a bit like 4e were to appeal more, 13A was out before 5e, anyway. So I would not expect disgruntled former 4e fans to be anxious to move to PF2, for, like 13A or 5e, being maybe a bit like 4e.
That’s all I’m saying. That’s all I’ve been saying. That’s all I originally said. I don’t know why it had to turn into an argument, when so far everyone who has argued the point with me has agreed with it once they finally listened to what I actually said.It would be deeply ironic.
Actually, yes I do. Because it’s about 4e. With any luck, that will be another thing PF2 has that 4e doesn’t. The ability to mention it without starting an argument.