The Shifter PrC

[Mista Collins]

Since a 10th level Druid/10th level Shifter can use Greater Wild Shape an unlimited amount of times a day and as a move equivalent that does not provoke attacks of oppurtunity, the Shifter can constantly be changing form (twice a round) and healing himself 40hp's. Is this right?

And I also have a question that regards the Assume Supernatural Ability feat. Say the player chooses the feat because he would like to be able to use a dragon's breath weapon. When he chooses it for that, would he have to choose the actual type of Dragon or would it work for all dragons? And what if a certain type of dragon has two types of breath weapon? Does he get both or would that cost him two feats? I am just curious about all this because this is the first person I have DM'ed for that has gone with that PrC.

If there is anything else I should know about this PrC, please let me know. I don't want to accidently have the character over-powered compared to the rest.

 

[Jakathi]

hmmm. if the player is abusing the power

Do something DM'ie. Say that nature is concerned that the player is not keeping him/herself in balance and tells him that from now on, you can only use your shape-shifting abilities 3 or 4 times a day. Or something similar.

Boom. Problem solved.

 

[Oni]

Do something DM'ie. Say that nature is concerned that the player is not keeping him/herself in balance and tells him that from now on, you can only use your shape-shifting abilities 3 or 4 times a day. Or something similar.

Boom. Problem solved.

That would, of course, completely defeat the purpose of the shifter.

The official word is that the benefit of wildshaping to regain HP only works up to 7 times a day. Of course a shifter may assume a shape with fast healing and repair themselves rather quickly, though certainly not at a pace on par with 40 HP around.

(at least I believe that was the number...having doubts about my memory now...)

 

[Jakathi]

of course you could go another route

use the multiple feats. if he wants to learn how to go dragony, make him take a feat on flying, breath weapons, fighting as a dragon etc.

Also, limit the number of hit points he would heal if he went to a species that had that kind of thing.


think about it? just because you have the shape of a dragon, doesn't mean you know how to use it properly.

 

[shilsen]

The official word is that the benefit of wildshaping to regain HP only works up to 7 times a day. Of course a shifter may assume a shape with fast healing and repair themselves rather quickly, though certainly not at a pace on par with 40 HP around.

(at least I believe that was the number...having doubts about my memory now...)

Yup, you're correct. Or at least, AFAIK. Could be misremembering too, of course

 

[Dinkeldog]

Hi, ho, and off to Rules we go!

 

[FrankTrollman]

Since a 10th level Druid/10th level Shifter can use Greater Wild Shape an unlimited amount of times a day and as a move equivalent that does not provoke attacks of oppurtunity, the Shifter can constantly be changing form (twice a round) and healing himself 40hp's. Is this right?

According to the MotW FAQ (not errata) no. Although no real answer for why is given.

Of course, a 20th level Druid can do the same thing better by simply taking all his 9th level spell slots that he has and you don't and keep himself shapechanging 24 hours a day (with the aid of a Greater Extend Rod). That's kind of the same thing except that it's a free action and with a Karma Bead you can become a White Slaad even after the "nerfing" in the errata.

The Shifter Class is tragically smaller in every way than is the Single-classed Druid.

-Frank

 

[Seravin]

That would, of course, completely defeat the purpose of the shifter.

The official word is that the benefit of wildshaping to regain HP only works up to 7 times a day. Of course a shifter may assume a shape with fast healing and repair themselves rather quickly, though certainly not at a pace on par with 40 HP around.

(at least I believe that was the number...having doubts about my memory now...)

I thought it was 9 times per day - but I can't find it in the FAQ anywhere. It must have been from a posted email response or some such.
I think the reasoning was along the lines that Shifters were only able to get healing from actual granted Wildshape and Greater Wildshape uses.
So, a 10th level Shifter has 9uses of GWS and Evershifting Form. Evershifting Form doesn't count towards the healing.

Presumably if the character had druid levels or extra wildshape, they'd get the benefits of healing from those - but that's just supposition. As a DM (for a shifter no less) I'd certainly allow it.

Regardless, I don't have an actual rules-cite, but I can at least concur with Oni that there was an actual limitation.

 

[TheBadElf]

Could someone possibly tell me where the Assume Supernatural Ability feat mentioned earlier is? I'm currently playing a Druid/Shifter, and that would be just the thing I need...

 

[Dwarmaj]

Could someone possibly tell me where the Assume Supernatural Ability feat mentioned earlier is? I'm currently playing a Druid/Shifter, and that would be just the thing I need...

It's in Savage Species and gives you access to one supernatural ability of a creature whos form you take. You also have to make a Will save DC19 and you're -2 on all attacks, saves, and ability checks. Improved Assume Supernatural Ability (another feat) gets around the -2 to attacks, saves, skill checks.

In 3.5, a straight Druid with shapechange is far better than a Druid/Shifter. Shapechange gives you everything the Shifter wishes he had (Ex and Su abilities/qualities)