The Sources of D&D

AFGNCAAP said:
I'd say that Stormbringer is a continuation of the idea of a cursed sword, like Tyrfing from Norse myth.

Moorcock has publicly acknowledged the influence of Poul Anderson's 1954 novel, The Broken Sword on many elements of his work. One of the best short novels in modern fantasy, this work features the Tyrfing in a significant role...
 

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AFGNCAAP said:
Weren't gnomes (in 1st ed. AD&D) supposed to be inspired by a character in Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions?

Yeah, though that character described himself as a forest dwarf.
 

Doug McCrae said:
Rust monster, bulette, owlbear – Kid’s toys

Wasn't the umber hulk part of this set of toys? The name rather suggests a big brown unidentifiable monster.
 

Glyfair said:
Visually, yes. However, it works more like the original Swamp Thing (no "whatever knows fear burns at the shambling mounds touch")

Excepting that the Swamp Thing was intelligent.

EDIT: Neo-Shambling Mound? :lol:
 
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Mike Mornard has said the Cleric was a direct counter to Sir Fang, a powerful PC vampire in Arneson's Blackmoor campaign. So, you could say that the Cleric came from vampire folklore.

Of course, that was before Gygax got his hands on it.
 

Dwarves and Duergar are from Norse mythology and were actually the same race. The DnD Dwarves are obviously straight from Tolkein's version with the Duergar being the "classic" Norse version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_dwarves

The term Dark Elf also come from Norse mythology and the term was interchangable with "Dwarves". The were seen as a counterpoint to the light Elves (Ljósálfar).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_elves

check the section on Norse influenced Scottish mythology for the term Drow. The use of the term Drow as a seperate Elven race is pretty clearly a modern fantasy.

Tolkein's inspiration for Elves (and consequently DnDs) also was taken from Norse myth. In Norse mythology Elves were considered magical beings that were very beautiful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljósálfar

I did use wiki for links but I am pretty sure most of the info on it is accurate as it agrees with what I learned from other sources.
 


HalfOrc HalfBiscuit said:
Note though that the original manticore did not have wings. The winged version, I think, must have been based on the winged manticores in The Worm Ouroboros by E R Eddison.
Except, there's no mention of wings in the description in the book:
The Worm Ouroboros said:
Swinging from hold to hold across the dizzy precipice, as an ape swingeth from bough to bough, the beast drew near. The shape of it was as a lion, but bigger and taller, the colour a dull red, and it had prickles lancing out behind, as of a porcupine; its face a man's face, if aught so hideous might be conceived of human kind, with staring eyeballs, low wrinkled brow, elephant ears, some wispy mangy likeness of a lion's mane, huge bony chaps, brown blood-stained gubber-tushes grinning betwixt bristly lips. Straight for the ledge it made, and as they braced them to receive it, with a great swing heaved a man's height above them and leaped down upon their ledge from aloft betwixt Juss and Brandoch Daha ere they were well aware of its changed course. Brandoch Daha smote at it a great swashing blow and cut off its scorpion tail; but it clawed Juss's shoulder, smote down Mivarsh, and charged like a lion upon Brandoch Daha, who, missing his footing on the narrow edge of rock, fell backwards a great fall, clear of the cliff, down to the snow an hundred feet beneath them.

As it craned over, minded to follow and make an end of him, Juss smote it in the hinder parts and on the ham, shearing away the flesh from the thigh bone, and his sword came with a clank against the brazen claws of its foot. So with a horrid bellow it turned on Juss, rearing like a horse; and it was three heads greater than a tall man in stature when it reared aloft, and the breadth of its chest like the chest of a bear.
Eddison, I believe, knew his mythology.
 


Father of Dragons said:
Except, there's no mention of wings in the description in the book:

Damn!! Well, in my defence it is over 30 years since I read the book.

But it leaves me wondering ... I'm sure I read something with winged manticores back then and thought "so that's why D&D manticores have wings" ...
 

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