The Truth About 4th Edition.

[Mallus]

Now I don't have to listen to people tell me I'm wrong about 4E being based on MMORPGs and board games.

There's a difference between 'informed by' and 'based on'.

(never say you don't have to listen to someone telling you you're wrong --well, a little wrong, at least-- on the Internet!)

I prefer my games built on literary traditions, not video games, anime, and board games.

One word: Chainmail.

More words: I like a lot of 'literary tradition' in my games too. Hell, one PC in the 4e game I'm running is a parody of Artur Rimbaud (crossed w/John Rambo, of course). But how much of the literary tradition stems from the game mechanics? Doesn't the literary stuff happen outside the purview of the rules?

 

[pawsplay]

Would you agree to this statement:

"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Sans Serif]Sociopaths only care about fulfilling their own needs and desires - selfishness and egocentricity to the extreme."
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That's not the definition of a sociopath. Sociopaths can be described that way, but many people with those characteristics are not sociopaths. For instance, three year olds.

Would you agree that a noun like 'sociopath' permits relativizations to contexts, e.g. 'He really behaves like a sociopath around the elderly'?

No. Sociopathy is a personality disorder and applies only when behaviors are present across multiple contexts. The sentence you have written only makes sense if you are suggesting that portraying sociopathy is his hobby, which he indulges in around elderly people. To say that someone is only sociopathic in X context is nonsense, like trying to describe a chocolate chip cookie that contains no chocolate.

 

[pawsplay]

Other *positive* things that I think they may have learned from a game like WoW is that it's good to be accessible to new players, new characters should feel somewhat heroic and not someone taken out by a housecat. ;-)

Correct. MMO characters are properly supposed to be killed by Disgruntled Rats.

 

[mudbunny]

Now I don't have to listen to people tell me I'm wrong about 4E being based on MMORPGs and board games. And when I say I don't like my RPG games based on those type of games, I don't have to be told I'm being a hater or that I'm wrong.

Only the most blinkered fan of 4E would call you wrong or being a hater for saying that 4E was based on MMORPGs and board games. The devs have been pretty open about it since the beginning.

 

[Alaxk Knight of Galt]

You almost offend me asking to realize that there's a Wow RPG

Now, tell me how many of the 10+ million Wow players have played that.

Enter the game, go to a Capital and ask on /trade about this game.

Wow RPG = fail.

I rather enjoyed the [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Warcraft-Magic-Mayhem-Mike-Johnstone/dp/1588469549/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267815062&sr=8-2"]Magic and Mayhem[/ame] supplement for World of Warcraft d20. Wacky goblin steampunk stuff is fun. That book had some inflatable soldiers I had a gang of goblins use to "fortify" their train car. My PCs spent a good half hour trying to figure out a way around the balloons; good times

 

[Truth Seeker]

That can be hurtful....I was stabbed with one, in my very , younger younger days.

It's certainly not system-specific; I remember one 2e combat against a dragon where one round took one hour. I thought I was going to have to impale myself on my pencil to stay awake.

 

[thatdarnedbob]

Only the most blinkered fan of 4E would call you wrong or being a hater for saying that 4E was based on MMORPGs and board games. The devs have been pretty open about it since the beginning.

4E is clearly based on previous edition of D&D. It is informed by other successful games. There's a big difference between the two.

 

[Barastrondo]

4E is clearly based on previous edition of D&D. It is informed by other successful games. There's a big difference between the two.

I'd have to agree with that, as long as we're getting semantic. The influence of, say, European boardgames is clear, but it's not the foundation.

 

[Piratecat]

My goodness, the thinly veiled aggression is really rife today, isn't it? Well, for some definitions of "thinly veiled" that correspond pretty closely to "I think I can get away with it."

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but I warned way back on the first page that I was in no mood to put up with it. Thread closed.