These are the changes of 2 1/2 years?

[Angrygodofmilk]

Why is there so much text overlap on the main page? Some of the text is running over top of each other. Still other text runs out of the lines of what I think were meant to be borders.

What I really want is all the news in one easy to read (scrollable) location. Where is that now? To make matters worse, I have to scroll left and right to read everything. What the heck guys? Is this seriously your final product? I'm better off visiting the Wizards site directly now!

 

[Morrus]

I'm better off visiting the Wizards site directly now!

OK. Enjoy.

 

[Draumr]

Nah. I think Paizo may suite me better.

(In short, Morrus, your ongoing inability to respond to valid criticism except through snide sarcasm is really annoying me to the point of kissing these boards goodbye after many happy years.)

 

[Morrus]

Nah. I think Paizo may suite me better.

(In short, Morrus, your ongoing inability to respond to valid criticism except through snide sarcasm is really annoying me to the point of kissing these boards goodbye after many happy years.)

Fair enough; enjoy also.

I'm entitled to the same levels of civility that other users are; my name at the top doesn't change that. Valid criticism does not need to be rude. Had the above poster been talking about someone's house rule or new rules interpretation, he'd have gotten a ban for that.

The rules of EN World apply at all times, whomover you're talking to, and whatever you're talking to them about. For reference, they can be found here:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/faq.php?faq=faq_rules#faq_new_faq_irule1

Anyone who can't follow them is welcome to post elsewhere; there is absolutely no "I can be as rude to him as I like because his name's at the top" pass-card here. You're not dealing with a company representative of whom you're a loyal customer; you're in my virtual living room, and are expected to conduct yourself as such. These rules are not negotiable and apply to everyone.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Why is there so much text overlap on the main page? Some of the text is running over top of each other. Still other text runs out of the lines of what I think were meant to be borders.

What I really want is all the news in one easy to read (scrollable) location. Where is that now? To make matters worse, I have to scroll left and right to read everything. What the heck guys? Is this seriously your final product? I'm better off visiting the Wizards site directly now!

Can you believe it! After all the money you paid for this site, and the amount of money they paid the huge team of developers, you would think they would get it right immediately, or at least have the ESP to know exactly what browser you are using and correct the issue before you could post. The cheek of those guys. At least the Wizard sites and Gleemax work perfectly...

Nah. I think Paizo may suite me better.

(In short, Morrus, your ongoing inability to respond to valid criticism except through snide sarcasm is really annoying me to the point of kissing these boards goodbye after many happy years.)

Wait, there was valid criticism in there? I saw a useless rant that didn't give any information that might be useful to locate a bug and correct it.

 

[Angrygodofmilk]

Wow. Once again, the internet fails horrifically to communicate tone or mood, for which 0 tolerance exists.

Yes, the site is shiny and new, but not necessarily more "efficiently" organized. Is the word "efficiently" on the constructive criticism list? My resolution is 600x800. Has been for years. Perhaps that makes me a freak, perhaps I need to get my eyes checked. At any rate, surfing your front page at that resolution causes text to spill out of borders (the "EN World 2 Has Arrived" box and the "Fan Creation Pick of the Week: Bard" box) and text to overlap itself and become unreadable (the tiefling image box).

Lastly, I have to ask ... why did you organize all the gaming news into individually boxed links rather than leaving it all up on one page? It's seems exceedingly counterintuitive to the one-click surfing philosophy that keeps people coming back for more of your corner-store news.

So Morris, the question then becomes -- are you okay with my "constructive criticism" now or shall I, yet another legacy visitor of your web site, shuffle out of your personal living room?

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Seriously, at the top of the page is the master bug thread. Plenty of people (including myself) have posted about the text overflow issue. Michael Morris will I'm sure work on it and try and fix it.

As for the organizational change, did you ever visit the development version of the site and post your concerns when they were working on EN World 2? That new front page was set up there and the majority of people who checked it out liked the new format. I understand what you are saying about the scroll through of full articles on one page being easier, but I think part of the reason for the change is the new front page makes for faster loading. As long as the speed holds up, I will gladly have to click through for articles rather than wait several minutes to connect to the site.

 

[Morrus]

Given that I've particpated in this thread, I have asked the other mods to deal with it objectively; I feel unable to do so.

 

[Henry]

Wow. Once again, the internet fails horrifically to communicate tone or mood, for which 0 tolerance exists.

Yes, the site is shiny and new, but not necessarily more "efficiently" organized. Is the word "efficiently" on the constructive criticism list? My resolution is 600x800. Has been for years. Perhaps that makes me a freak, perhaps I need to get my eyes checked. At any rate, surfing your front page at that resolution causes text to spill out of borders (the "EN World 2 Has Arrived" box and the "Fan Creation Pick of the Week: Bard" box) and text to overlap itself and become unreadable (the tiefling image box).

Lastly, I have to ask ... why did you organize all the gaming news into individually boxed links rather than leaving it all up on one page? It's seems exceedingly counterintuitive to the one-click surfing philosophy that keeps people coming back for more of your corner-store news.

So Morris, the question then becomes -- are you okay with my "constructive criticism" now or shall I, yet another legacy visitor of your web site, shuffle out of your personal living room?

RE: The 800 x 600 resolution - No offense meant, but 800 x 600 has been steadily been losing support for several years now among monitor manufacturers and among web designers; just like the old 640 x 480 standard, NTSC televisions, and many other older standards, to support it as well as newer standards means a loss of innovations. I'm sorry it's not working well for you. Heck, I just recently moved up from 1024 x 768 (which I had been using for years) because many of the web sites I visit have stopped looking good on anything less than 1280 dpi.

RE: The boxed news items. I don't know if it's open for debate, but actually, I'd have to say it's easier to get a glace at all the newest news items as far as I can see, and it's reminiscent of the blurbs that newspapers put up to get readers to check out sections OTHER than the "A" section. Sites like Yahoo, Google News, CNN, etc. also use a similar scheme to get people to read on, as opposed to having all items in one monolithic block of text as we had been using.

You're free to offer as much constructive criticism as you'd like -- but constructive does not mean "insulting," as your "YOU HAD 2 YEARS OF CHANGES FOR THIS?!?!" tone came across as. If you'd said, perhaps,

"Morrus, thanks for putting so much into the site. However, I'm having problems with these two issues (issue A and issue B). Is there anything at all that can be done with those issues? THanks for listening."

Instead your post contains two indirect insults (what the heck? THIS is your result?) and a threat that if you don't see results, you're going elsewhere.

Any clearer now why Russ can get kinda testy over "constructive criticism"?

 

[Michael Morris]

Wow. Once again, the internet fails horrifically to communicate tone or mood, for which 0 tolerance exists.

Yes, the site is shiny and new, but not necessarily more "efficiently" organized. Is the word "efficiently" on the constructive criticism list? My resolution is 600x800. Has been for years. Perhaps that makes me a freak, perhaps I need to get my eyes checked.

What it makes you is part of 1% of users. 11% is 1024x768, a whopping 52% is 1280x768, 15% is at an even higher resolution.

There is another significant growing group though - PDA users. When I get the time I'll make additional skins. for 640x480 (good for Opera on Nintendo Wii) and typical PDA's 320x300. That takes time. I'm only one person.

At any rate, surfing your front page at that resolution causes text to spill out of borders (the "EN World 2 Has Arrived" box and the "Fan Creation Pick of the Week: Bard" box) and text to overlap itself and become unreadable (the tiefling image box).

Firefox 3 *should* correct that since it scales text to the rest of the elements instead of independently. I may be wrong in that or I may need to define my font sizes in picas or points instead of pixels. It is known that the CSS is failing on a not insignificant number of computers.

Keep in mind I own exactly 1 computer and only have had the ability to test on one other until I lost my job. Both had resolutions in the 1280 range but I could at least resize the browser and get a feel for what it looks like. I cannot by myself test every possible browser/os/monitor configuration under the sun. I tested as many as I could before going public. I will fix the others as I find time.

Lastly, I have to ask ... why did you organize all the gaming news into individually boxed links rather than leaving it all up on one page? It's seems exceedingly counterintuitive to the one-click surfing philosophy that keeps people coming back for more of your corner-store news.

Several reasons

1. An attempt to maximize the number of articles visible above the "fold" - the fold is a term taken from newspapers and refers to the point on the page that where the user must scroll down to see more - this is the 'first impressions' area of the page and it's critical. The more information here - provided it is organized the better.
2. EN World hosts a lot more news than it did even a year ago. Breaking things up into teasers and articles helps people find what they want and ignore the rest. Someone wanting to read the whole bloody thing is the exception - not the rule.
3. Each click is 2 ads. This is mercenary but true - by dividing content up we serve more ads which pay for the site.

As to the corner store comment - that and the following earns a warning as it is wholly uncalled for.

So Morris, the question then becomes -- are you okay with my "constructive criticism" now or shall I, yet another legacy visitor of your web site, shuffle out of your personal living room?

BTW - I am Morris, the person I believe you are addressing is Morrus. I have about 270 lb and 4 inches - and I'm American - he's a Brit.