Things you can do while casting a full round spell.

[irdeggman]

Thanks. I took a few years off from gaming and this was one of the books I did not know about. Unfortunately we are playing Pathfinder so not sure he will consider that book.

Well the Rules Compendium is the last 3.5 book published by WoTC and contains errata and rules changes - so unless I am totally mistaken on the function of Pathfinder (in that it uses 3.5 rules except where it specifically changes them) it should apply. Especially since it is considered errata when it differs from previously published material.

 

[Thanee]

I really doubt, that Pathfinder does or can take anything into consideration, that is not in the SRD.

Bye
Thanee

 

[irdeggman]

I really doubt, that Pathfinder does or can take anything into consideration, that is not in the SRD.

Bye
Thanee

From the Beta version of Pathfinder

This is the Beta edition of the game, which contains the majority of the rules you need to play. Although nearly complete, you might find it useful to have the 3.5 rules set available as a reference to help fill in a few small gaps. Over the next eight months, these rules will be playtested
and refined based on your feedback.

And I said I thought it used the 3.5 rules set except where specifically changed.

So I don't think I'm that far off - unless the Pathfinder rules have it specifically covered then (based on the quotes from the beta version) I believe the intent was that the 3.5 rules could (and should) be used.

There are many places where it talks about things that are different like how to qualify for 3.5 Prestige Classes (which if the rules weren't suposed to be compatible then you wouldn't be able to use Prestige Classes that weren't in the SRD).

 

[Thanee]

I was more thinking about the license/copyright problems arising there...

Bye
Thanee

 

[JacktheRabbit]

From the Beta version of Pathfinder



And I said I thought it used the 3.5 rules set except where specifically changed.

So I don't think I'm that far off - unless the Pathfinder rules have it specifically covered then (based on the quotes from the beta version) I believe the intent was that the 3.5 rules could (and should) be used.

There are many places where it talks about things that are different like how to qualify for 3.5 Prestige Classes (which if the rules weren't suposed to be compatible then you wouldn't be able to use Prestige Classes that weren't in the SRD).

The DM has the new Pathfinder final edition and is using that as his only source which seems through accident to have removed that particular rule. I myself will be picking up the PDF later this week so I can check more completely to make sure.

Overall this is rather typically his style. He likes to make rather odd rulings to his benefit. One was a shrieker that went off when the halfling thief stepped out to fire a crossbow with sneak attack. The DM ruled that even though it was the middle of the halflings movement all of the monsters instantly got an initiative roll, one of which beat the halfling, ran up to him and attacked him in melee. All before the halfling could pull the trigger on his crossbow.

 

[aboyd]

I wouldn't force the issue. Instead, I would write down the date and description of how the house-rule was used, and then be sure to use that myself as a player. The only time I would be troubled would be if, when I use the house-rule to my advantage, the DM objected. At that point, I might explain how he used it and see if he was interested in being fair about it. If he allowed its use, then great. If not, then I have a choice to make. Do I stay in a campaign where the DM can break an established rule, but I cannot?

Note that I am often on board for various explanations of exceptions to rules. For example, if the DM explained that his character was able to threaten because of a special feat, then I would be perfectly willing to let it slide... although I would want to look into acquiring the feat. If that stuff seems possible, then why object?

My favorite type of player/DM interaction is when I see a player making a bad character build and so I pit them against someone similar but with a good character build. My players have repeatedly decided to revise their own characters (or start over from scratch) in order to take advantage of abilities that I used effectively in play. I don't think players typically object to enemies who are legitimately better -- they only object when the enemies get to cheat physics or laws of the universe. I'd do my best to be sure about what in fact happened in your case. Does the DM really think spellcasters threaten, or did the spellcaster have a feat or variant ability? Whatever the case, it only breaks down if the DM gives a cheaty advantage to his NPCs that you are barred from using. Otherwise, it's all good. (In my opinion, of course.)

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Not a houserule. The DM was only using the Pathfinder book which had this rule in a very odd location and he honestly thought you could make AOOs during a full round spell.

 

[aboyd]

It doesn't matter how the rule is designated, only whether the DM allows fair use of it by all. If he does, then no problem, right? Do as kitsune9 suggests, and arm the spellcasters with weapons, so that they can get AOO too.

 

[irdeggman]

The DM has the new Pathfinder final edition and is using that as his only source which seems through accident to have removed that particular rule. I myself will be picking up the PDF later this week so I can check more completely to make sure.

So then there can be no prestige classes not included in the pathfinder final edition book then?

I know they published a Prestige Class list on line which had as I recall about 5 or 6 prestige classes included.

I am not sure if the final published core book had any or merely these few included.

But the point would be then is he only inlcuding prestige classes from the Pathfinder book in order to meet his set up rules guidelines.

 

[thedmstrikes]

Overall this is rather typically his style. He likes to make rather odd rulings to his benefit. One was a shrieker that went off when the halfling thief stepped out to fire a crossbow with sneak attack. The DM ruled that even though it was the middle of the halflings movement all of the monsters instantly got an initiative roll, one of which beat the halfling, ran up to him and attacked him in melee. All before the halfling could pull the trigger on his crossbow.

In this situation and assuming that one or more of the shriekers "detected" the halfling (opposed skill checks) as it readied and moved to fire his crossbow, it sounds as if a surprise round was about to occur (in which only aware participants are active and get only a single partial action). But if I remember correctly, isn't a shrieker a plant and thus immobile (speed=0)? I could be wrong and I do not have my books available at the moment...

Sorry about the threadjack...

None of this advice will really help if the DM is only using the pathfinder rulebook. Since the rule in the book is unclear (and usually using only one book will lead to this kind of situation since the human factor can never really be accounted for no matter how many playtests are made) and the potential for it and other situations like it is high, I also recommend keeping a "log" of the DMs rulings (you know, to help him keep track of them). Although keeping track of dates seems a little too extreme, you know this guy a whole lot better than me, so exercise your own judgement on this one...