D&D 5E Thinking about 5E releases...

[Mistwell]

The problem I have is the APs (at least at WotC so far) are woefully incomplete. The do *NOT* have enough content to actually get you from level 1 to level 15. We just did Episode 7 in HotDQ, supposed to get you from lvl6 to lvl7.... not even close, I am pretty sure we didn't even get 1/4 of what we needed, and many of the episodes are the same way.

Several play reports disagree with you on this.

 

[Mistwell]

But it is *not* the same as 16 of them... not even close.

I am most familiar with HotDQ

Episode 4 was a caravan ride, with a list of possible random encounters.
Episode 5 was a short trip and a stop at a large "Inn" with a little to investigate.
Episode 6 was fairly bulky with content. But still only a small keep to clear out
Episode 7 is one building, with almost no one in the building.


None of these were even close to the content of a module like Keep on the Borderlands, or the Giants, or Shrine of Tamochaon, or..... or almost any of the TSR modules. (or the 3E modules)

"The Giants" is many modules. Shrine was expanded to include more content because the original was a race tournament (and was priced accordingly). I mean go pick up G1 Steading of the Hill Giant Chief, and count the pages. It won't take you long. The answer is 10. TEN pages for that module, including the map and a few half-page images. And it cost the equivalent of $16.16 in today-dollars. Would you pay $16.16 for a 10 page module from WOTC?

 

[HobbitFan]

Several play reports disagree with you on this.

Cite them. Otherwise the thread is in a he said/she said type of situation.

My own play through of the adventures so far agrees with Coredump's point.

 

[Mistwell]

Cite them. Otherwise the thread is in a he said/she said type of situation.

My own play through of the adventures so far agrees with Coredump's point.

No thank you. I am fine with a he said/ she said type situation. I have learned over decades, that going and doing the work to dig up that sort of information results in an immediate moving target, and it's a thankless effort, particularly when the person demanding the link hasn't done any similar work to offer similar evidence beyond their own opinion.

 

[HobbitFan]

No thank you. I am fine with a he said/ she said type situation. I have learned over decades, that going and doing the work to dig up that sort of information results in an immediate moving target, and it's a thankless effort, particularly when the person demanding the link hasn't done any similar work to offer similar evidence beyond their own opinion.

C'mon Mistwell. That's being a bit disingenious. I'm not asking you to do anything you haven't asked other posters to do on other threads.

 

[Mistwell]

C'mon Mistwell. That's being a bit disingenious. I'm not asking you to do anything you haven't asked other posters to do on other threads.

Of course you are. I always do that work - you don't. I don't ask it of anyone when I am unwilling to do it myself - you do. I don't mean that in an offensive tone, we just have history and I have seen that game played. So, no thank you. If you really want to know, I can tell you where to find the play reports and you can dig them up. You want that, or was this more a task for me to run for you so you can flippantly dismiss it and move on to another point if I actually produce it?

 

[HobbitFan]

Of course you are. I always do that work - you don't. I don't ask it of anyone when I am unwilling to do it myself - you do. I don't mean that in an offensive tone, we just have history and I have seen that game played. So, no thank you. If you really want to know, I can tell you where to find the play reports and you can dig them up. You want that, or was this more a task for me to run for you so you can flippantly dismiss it and move on to another point if I actually produce it?

Excuse me?
You always do what and I don't? What are you trying to say?
What "history" do we have and what "game" are you talking about?
You're implying something there that I don't care for. At all.
Instead of attacking what people say, being argumentative and trying to turn stuff around on people....how about you address what someone posts?
Because your last posts is filled with your crud and not what I said at all.
And it was judgemental to boot.

Here's what just happened. You basically just told another poster "no you're wrong.."
I said: "Prove it"
You said: "I don't have.." and tried to turn it around on me.
I called "shenanigans"
And you responded with a personal attack.

 

[Jester David]

Several play reports disagree with you on this.

I went into the book looking to defend you, but Ch7 is pretty short on xp. The adventure itself recommends using the milestone advancement method rather than xp, likely because there isn't enough xp in the combat encounters to get PCs to the right level. Part of that is likely the anemic size of the Tyranny of Dragons adventures, which are only 96 pages each.

However, WotC seems aware of this problem and added a good 50+ pages to PotA and released it as a single volume, reducing the price for the storyline. Ditto the Rage of Demons book. It's a bit unforgiving to rail at a problem that has been aknowledged and fixed. I mean, we paid $10+ less for PotA and got enough extra pages for 2 modules.

 

[Umbran]

I don't mean that in an offensive tone....

You want that, or was this more a task for me to run for you so you can flippantly dismiss it and move on to another point if I actually produce it?

Well, if you don't intend an offensive tone, you seem to have achieved it anyway. Pre-dismissing statements he hasn't made in this manner isn't kosher - it is borderline ad hominem, as you have framed it as an accusation of a bad habit on his part.

But, you have a part here. If you have this "history" that is so bad that it brings you to such statements, it is time to think about why you engage. Consider stepping away from discussions you know aren't going to go anywhere.

 

[delericho]

The catch is a 32-page adventure will cost $10. Getting five will cost you the same price as Princes of the Apocalypse, which is the same content as 16. So even if you only like 1/3rd of the dungeons/adventures in PotA you'll still have paid even money. Only the book is a durable hardcover that will last much longer and can be used multiple times rather than a flimsy softcover that will look abused after a single use.

Yep, pretty much.

My suspicion is that small modules just aren't profitable enough for most companies to bother with. Though there may well be a market for a compilation - instead of 8 32-page adventures, a single 256-page hardback containing those same adventures. And I continue to hope for the return of Dungeon (or similar) at some point.

On dndclassics, is the going rate for the old modules $5 or $10? Either way, the same amount of adventure in PDF goes for way higher than the AP...

I'm not sure pricing on dndclassics is a good indication of how the pricing 'should' be. On the one hand, WotC don't have to pay the costs associated with creating the adventure (that is the writing, art, layout, etc... obviously, there are still some costs), while on the other hand sales of the PDFs are probably extremely low, at least compared with the hardback books.

My suspicion is that a PDF of a new 32-page adventure (that wouldn't ever be seen in print) would cost considerably more than an eighth of "Princes..."