Thoughts on Fochlucan lyrist?

[Jubilee]

You could take a level of druid, to get druidic, and then cleric, and choose to advance your clerical casting instead of your druidic when you go into the class. Do rangers learn Druidic? I'd also imagine if you had a cool enough GM & a high enough bluff/disguise/survival/knowledge nature, you might be able to trick a druid into teaching you druidic. Maybe a cleric/rogue with the animal/plant domain (doesn't one of those give you knowledge nature as a class skill)?

However, there's also a druid feat from Dragon 336 - Sacrificial Divination. It requires that you take Sacrificial Mastery [Vile] from the book of vile darkness, which probably isn't a happy-fun feat. However, Sacrificial Divination allows you to "see glimpses of the future by divining with the entrails of sacrificial victims." You make a knowledge nature or religion check while you dig through someone's entrails, and the roll determines what kind of divination spell you can emulate. There are modifiers from a Table "typical sacrifice elements" in the book of vile darkness. You can use the highest divination available to you from the check, or you can choose to use a lower one - but you can only use one of each spells per day.

It starts at 10, ends at 30, with 5pt steps between - augury, scrying, divination, commune, greater scrying.

Since feats are wide open for the Fochluchan lyricist, it might be a viable option =)

I checked the Sidhe Scholar druid varient in the hope that it would change to Charisma as the casting stat, but no such luck - still Wisdom.

/ali

 

[GwydapLlew]

However, there's also a druid feat from Dragon 336 - Sacrificial Divination. It requires that you take Sacrificial Mastery [Vile] from the book of vile darkness, which probably isn't a happy-fun feat. However, Sacrificial Divination allows you to "see glimpses of the future by divining with the entrails of sacrificial victims." You make a knowledge nature or religion check while you dig through someone's entrails, and the roll determines what kind of divination spell you can emulate. There are modifiers from a Table "typical sacrifice elements" in the book of vile darkness. You can use the highest divination available to you from the check, or you can choose to use a lower one - but you can only use one of each spells per day.

It starts at 10, ends at 30, with 5pt steps between - augury, scrying, divination, commune, greater scrying.

Hrm. That's an interesting feat for a Vecna-worshipper. I likee. *goes to find a copy of the mag*

Technically, you could find someone to teach you Druidic, but that's entirely up to the DM. You could find an ex-druid, or use various powers to learn the language, but that's beyond the RAW. The flavor of the PrC includes being trained by a druidic circle, which is really the easiest way to meet those requirements.

Thanks for all the input, everyone!

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Clerics can't learn Druidic, though.

Loremasters can.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Loremasters can.

I think that's a pretty liberal interpretation of the RAW.

http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/loremaster.html

 

[JRRNeiklot]

I think that's a pretty liberal interpretation of the RAW.

http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/loremaster.html

Bonus Languages: A loremaster can choose any new language at 4th and 8th level.

How else do you interpret "any?"

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Bonus Languages: A loremaster can choose any new language at 4th and 8th level.

How else do you interpret "any?"

By looking at both the Druid class and the Speak Language skill:

A druid also knows Druidic, a secret language known only to druids, which she learns upon becoming a 1st-level druid. Druidic is a free language for a druid; that is, she knows it in addition to her regular allotment of languages and it doesn’t take up a language slot. Druids are forbidden to teach this language to nondruids. Druidic has its own alphabet.

The Speak Language skill specifically says that Druidic is "druid only."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/speakLanguage.htm

Otherwise, Druidic could be learned by any class that has Speak Language on its skill list, starting with bards. To me, that pretty clearly violates the intention of the Druidic language.

Where are Loremasters assumed to have learned it? The Berlitz School of Rebel Druids?

 

[JRRNeiklot]

By looking at both the Druid class and the Speak Language skill:


The Speak Language skill specifically says that Druidic is "druid only."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/speakLanguage.htm

Otherwise, Druidic could be learned by any class that has Speak Language on its skill list, starting with bards. To me, that pretty clearly violates the intention of the Druidic language.

Where are Loremasters assumed to have learned it? The Berlitz School of Rebel Druids?

Why not? A blighter would probably spill the beans for a few gold pieces, or maybe just to spite the druidic order.

The speak language skill description just means you can't take druidic with that particular skill. The loremaster description doesn't say where he gains the knowledge. Maybe he sweet talks some druid chic or bribes an ex-druid or tortures it out of a druid. Who knows? It still says any, and while I can see a dm not allowing it on the basis of your argument above, I can also see one allowing it, as well. I'm just saying I don't think it's a stretch to allow it.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I wonder if enough people would answer a poll about it. My sense is that most DMs would give it the thumbs-down, myself.

 

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

I would disallow it. In this instance, it was clearly intended that the character dip into the druid class.

 

[Psion]

I think I'd disallow it as well. One of those "spirit of the rule over the letter" things, and a flavor thing.