Throwing Madness
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Nifft
Penguin Herder
Master Thrower is worth taking one level of. Quickdraw is nice. The one trick worth having is Deadeye Shot, and it's really good. Also, take one level of Exotic Weapons Master for the trick that lets you throw exotic weapons without provoking any AoOs (close quarters ranged combat).
The touch attack thing is kinda ... odd. I wouldn't be surprised if it got errata'd. As it stands, it's a good class for someone with lots of Sneak Attack dice.
However, IMHO sneak attack dice are NOT where the power of thrown weapons comes from. It's all about the Strength damage. You can do Str-based damage to a half-golem lich 40 ft. away who's got partial concealment. Sneak attack? Not so much.
-- N
The touch attack thing is kinda ... odd. I wouldn't be surprised if it got errata'd. As it stands, it's a good class for someone with lots of Sneak Attack dice.
However, IMHO sneak attack dice are NOT where the power of thrown weapons comes from. It's all about the Strength damage. You can do Str-based damage to a half-golem lich 40 ft. away who's got partial concealment. Sneak attack? Not so much.
-- N
John Q. Mayhem
Explorer
Someday I'll play a dwarf barbarian with Throw Anything and Brutal Throw, who throws waraxes...
Philip
Explorer
Eltern said:So, nobody thinks the Master Thrower prestige class is worth the levels?I would think the ability to do a ranged touch attack would be -huge-.
The Master Thrower is worth it. The ranged touch attack ability is huge, but for the problem that a thrown weapons guy already has problems doing a lot of damage (weapon enchancements to expensive, needs Dex as well as Str, etc. etc.), and if you can't add your strength bonus to damage as well, you are looking at touch attack doing a few points of damage on average.
In the following built that I made for a one-shot game I tried to circumvent the problem by taking high damage high critical weapons (chatka's) and using a non-strength bonus (Int bonus from the Swashbuckler class) to circumvent the problem:
Ka’arathra
The Desert Storm
Male Thri-Kreen, Ranger 3/Swashbuckler 3/Master Thrower 5/Exotic Weapon Master 1
Hit Dice: 3d10+11d8+65 (133 hp)
Initiative: +8 (+8 Dex)
Speed: 50 ft. (40 ft. base, +10 ft. enhancement)
Armor Class: 38 (+3 natural, +8 armor, +6 shield, +8 Dex, +2 deflection, +1 insight), touch 21, flat-footed 29
Base Attack/Grapple: +14/+19
Attack: +1 gythka +20 melee (1d10+8); or +2 returning chatka +25 ranged (1d6+12/15-20/x3)
Full Attack: +1 gythka +20/+15/+10 melee (1d10+8) and bite +14 melee (1d4+2+poison); or 2 +2 returning chatka’s +23/+23 ranged (1d6+12 or 1d6+9/15-20/x3) and 2 +1 returning chatka’s +22/+22 ranged (1d6+8/15-20/x3) and 8 masterwork chatka’s +18/+18/+18/+18/+13/+13/+13/+13 (1d6+7/15-20/x3)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Deadeye shot, weak spot, trip shot, poison, close quarters ranged combat
Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., immune to sleep, leap, psi-like abilities, evasion
Saves: Fort +18, Ref +24, Will +11
Abilities: Str 20, Dex 26, Con 18, Int 20, Wis 10, Cha 6
Skills: Balance +13, Concentration +9, Hide +8, Jump +67, Knowledge (nature) +10, Move Silently +13, Sleight of Hand +13, Search +22, Spot +22, Tumble +25, Survival +8
Feats: Weapon Focus(chatka), Multi-weapon Fighting(b), Improved Multi-weapon Fighting, Greater Multi-weapon Fighting, Weapon Finesse(b), Track(b), Endurance(b), Improved Critical(chatka/b), Quickdraw(b), Deflect Arrows(b), Snatch Arrows(b), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot
Equipment: +2 returning chatka’s(2), +1 returning chatka’s(2), masterwork chatka’s(20 crystalline, 10 cold iron, 10 adamantine, 10 silvered), amulet of health +4, vest of resistance +5, girdle of giant strength +4, gloves of dexterity +6, headband of intellect +6, heward’s handy haversack, ring of protection +2, celestial armor, mithral heavy shield +4, boots of striding and springing, glove of storing, eyes of the eagle, ioun stone +1 insight bonus to AC, +1 gythka, +1 heavy flail, ehlonna’s quiver, potion of lesser restoration(2).
Trip Shot (Ex): A master thrower with this ability may use a thrown weapon against an opponent farther than 5 feet away. The character makes a normal attack against the opponent with a thrown weapon. If the attack succeeds, in addition to doing damage as normal, the master thrower makes a Dexterity check with a +4 bonus opposed by the opponent’s Dexterity check or Strength check (which ever ability score has the higher modifier). Other modifiers may apply to this opposed check. If the master thrower wins the opposed check, the opponent is tripped. The benefit of this ability doesn’t stack with the benefit of the Improved Trip feat.
Close Quarters Ranged Combat (Ex): A character who knows this stunt doesn’t provoke an attack of opportunity when using an exotic ranged weapon.
Deadeye Shot (Ex): The critical multiplier for the chatka increases by one (x2 becomes x3) when this ability is used. The benefit of this ability does not stack with any other effect that increases critical multipliers.
Weak Spot (Ex): A master thrower can gain this ability only after reaching 5th level. When using a thrown weapon against a target of her size or larger, the character can make a ranged touch attack instead of a normal attack. If the attack hits, the master thrower does not apply her Strength bonus to the damage.
Psi-like abilities (Sp): 3/day – chameleon, know direction; 1/day – psionic displacement, metaphysical claw. Manifester level 1st, save DC 8+power level.
Leap (Ex): Thri-kreen are natural jumpers, they have a +30 racial bonus on Jump checks.
Poison (Ex): Bite, initial damage 1d6 Dex, secondary damage paralysis, DC 15. A thri-kreen produces sufficient poison for only one poisonous bite per day.
Sources
Thri-Kreen – Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 14
Gythka – Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 14
Chatka – Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 14
Swashbuckler – Complete Warrior, p. 11
Master Thrower – Complete Warrior, p. 58
Exotic Weapon Master – Complete Warrior, p. 30
Vest of Resistance +5 – Complete Arcane p. 150
