To anyone who bought the EPIC LEVEL HANDBOOK

[drowdude]

Edena is a cleric/mage levels 120th/40th 2nd edition (levels in 3rd edition still unknown.)

No, his 3rd edition level is not "unknown". There is a simple conversion mechanic. He would be 133rd level.

Edena earned it.

No he didnt.

I have explained why and how Edena earned it.

Yes, you described the method you used to cheat very well.

If I had thought of it as cheating, or that it wasn't properly earned, I most certainly would not have posted Edena's class levels, and how he gained them, on this high visibility worldwide forum.

I honestly dont see how you could have NOT thought of it as cheating. And, unless you are delusional, you must realize that the levels werent properly earned.

 

[AvarielAvenger]

Drowdude:

It's better to just drop it. Clearly, it's just not worth it to continue this discussion. Edena is clearly a "pet" character. I've seen this syndrome before. A player will become so attached to a character they start basically only playing that character. If that character ever dies they either A) Refuse to accept it, or B) Recreate the character exactly as they were.

If they move on to another campaign, they will even remake the PC exactly as they were in the last campaign, with no variation whatsoever. Many of these players will advance these "pets" as far as possible through almost any means, as Edenas posts have demonstrated.

Almost nothing will convince a player who has a "pet" like this to play another character, or let the character go, or, in players like Edenas case, even acknowledge the neccessity to follow the rules with regards to the "pet".

My personal opinion is, if that's what they enjoy doing, let them have their fun. You don't have to play with them, and they don't have to play with you.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

This thread is ... definitely ... going down the toilet.
Let's hope someone flushes the toilet.

 

[drowdude]

It's better to just drop it. Clearly, it's just not worth it to continue this discussion.

Truly, I do agree that the subject should be dropped (hopefully never to be brought up again ).

I only responded to his last post because I cant stand it when people who are so obviously in the wrong try to get the last word in like that.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

Last word, eh?

Heh. LOL.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Simon!

U_K/Craig has slight munchkin tendencies I guess.

I think you mean slight Power Gamer tendencies.

(at this time I can't recall very well, but I seem to remember that a few of Thrin's levels might have been gained in 'solo' play when I was burnt-out - U-K can confirm/deny)

No, all of Thrins levels were earned in game - none in solo play.

I did run some of the servants through a few modules and although I did it fairly I am sure I don't have the venom you would have brought to bear in those respects!

But I made a point of never DM'ing Thrin because I would never kill him myself.

but as a DM I've never had any trouble terrorising him with foes more powrful than Thrin - Hel, Wotan, Doomstar (not actually a foe), Arasaka ACPA troopers, etc. I'm generally considered a tough GM, even a killer GM by some.

In your games you need a bit of power gamer in you just to survive!

And certainly 90%+ of Thrin's levels were earned in games I GM'd.

Irv DM'ed a few - nothing that contributed more than a few levels - and you know he was never going to give me an easy time so...

 

[Zappo]

Arasaka ACPA troopers

In D&D?

 

[S'mon]

Hi Simon!


Hiya!


I think you mean slight Power Gamer tendencies.






No, all of Thrins levels were earned in game - none in solo play.

Cool - it's been so long I couldn't recall for sure.


I did run some of the servants through a few modules and although I did it fairly I am sure I don't have the venom you would have brought to bear in those respects!


My attitude there was that you did their 'easy' scenarios, so I could concentrate on the _nasty_ stuff - the dragon-riding Darksword Knights of Druaga trashing your cities, and suchlike.


But I made a point of never DM'ing Thrin because I would never kill him myself.


Indeed.


In your games you need a bit of power gamer in you just to survive!

Well, I tend to fit things to my players, but naturally deity-level play is tough - you're dealing with some mean mothers out there! As proven by the fact that several other PCs made deity-level over 14 years of play, but Thrin is the only non-retired one to survive so far, the others are all dead.


Irv DM'ed a few - nothing that contributed more than a few levels - and you know he was never going to give me an easy time so...

Ah, yes.

 

[S'mon]

In D&D?

Yes. As I recall Thrin gained new respect for 40mm automatic grenade launchers after taking 640 pts blast damage in 1 round - being in Thrinheim on his home plane of Asgard he had ca 798 hp and was able to teleport away before being killed. Thrin got mixed up in the Cyberpunk world Earth:2020 (where only 1st & 2nd level spells work, -5 Magic Factor as per 1st ed Manual of the Planes, due to a dimensional rift caused by the Sword of Kas. Thrin and another PC were sent by their patrons to find the Sword on E:2020, resulting in all sorts of shenanigans in 21st century New York.

 

[S'mon]

I said that I fit things to my players - not entirely true I guess, I was getting a lot of TPKs running low-level games in my current tabletop campaign. Eventually I let the players start with 4th level PCs, using half their XP totals from PCs in another GM's campaign, and running scenarios with ELs 1 or 2 below the 'expected' level - eg running a 3rd-level adventure when the PCs were 5th. This has done the trick, so far they've found it tough but survivable, and the slower rate of advancement suits me fine. I did have a problem when I used Krusty's Iron Devil from CC2 on them recently - the fiends at S&S had lowered its CR from Krusty's (correct) 13 to 10, the 8th level PCs barely got out alive (leaving the Devil onlly 10% down on hp).