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No, nor can you leave a slot empty.Anthelios said:Is it possible to ready a maneuver more than once? Say, to get a better chance at getting it randomly as a crusader?
There's a feat you can take, though.
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No, nor can you leave a slot empty.Anthelios said:Is it possible to ready a maneuver more than once? Say, to get a better chance at getting it randomly as a crusader?
So is 'casting a spell', but you don't see people trying to claim that you can use a standard action attack to cast a spell at the same time. Just because the spell is listed as taking a 'standard action' to cast does not mean you can just use any kind of standard action to cast a spell. Just as you can't cast a spell and manifest a psionic power and make a melee attack all with a single standard action; each one is a specific type of standard action of its own. Also, maneuvers are described as being similar to spells in their activation, with only a few key differences.Mistwell said:And one of the subsets of a standard action is an an attack action, and one of the subsets of the attack action is the melee attack. That is the only place I can even find that refers to the "attack action".
NO, they require that you make a melee attack as part of the strike; not a melee attack action. The section of the book that describes initiating maneuvers already says that they may involve making an attack as part of the action, but it does not say that the attack itself triggers the maneuver.I disagree, but I am not sure it's relevant what initiates it - it's only relevant whether or not you have made an attack action. In fact, most strikes REQUIRE that you use a melee attack action to use the strike. And there is no question so far in my mind in the PHB a melee attack is an attack action.
Because it specifically mentions only working with Stone Dragon strikes and normal attack/full-attack actions. Why would it even specify that AT ALL, if any kind of melee attack triggered maneuvers? That would be just monumentally, stupidly redundant wording, and not something the designers would do by mistake.Why doesn't it work with other kinds of strikes if those strikes involve a melee attack, which is an attack action?
Anthelios said:Is it possible to ready a maneuver more than once? Say, to get a better chance at getting it randomly as a crusader?
Arkhandus said:So is 'casting a spell', but you don't see people trying to claim that you can use a standard action attack to cast a spell at the same time.
NO, they require that you make a melee attack as part of the strike; not a melee attack action.
The section of the book that describes initiating maneuvers already says that they may involve making an attack as part of the action, but it does not say that the attack itself triggers the maneuver.
Because it specifically mentions only working with Stone Dragon strikes and normal attack/full-attack actions.
Why would it even specify that AT ALL, if any kind of melee attack triggered maneuvers? That would be just monumentally, stupidly redundant wording, and not something the designers would do by mistake.
As for your last point - Attacks of Opportunity. You don't use an 'attack action' to make an attack of opportunity.
You don't use an 'attack action' to deliver a Shocking Grasp spell when you cast it in the same round; the spell itself just lets you make a melee touch attack as part of casting the spell, but the actual action used is just the 'casting a spell' standard action.
You seem to be confusing 'attacks' in general with 'attack actions', as though any kind of attack uses up a standard action.
Mistwell said:Because there could be a Stone Dragon strike that does not involve an attack action or a full round attack, and they wanted to make it clear that ANY stone power strike, regardless of the type of action involved, can be used with the Stone Power feat.
Arkhandus said:It's obviously pointless trying to make you understand that there's a difference. You're not going to accept anything rational as an explanation.
Zurai said:Except that there can't. Strikes are defined as a maneuver that involves an attack.