Torm vs. Tyr

[Mirtek]

Tyr is directly based on the Norse god of the same name. He has all the same basic attributes, including having lost his hand to some immortal canine.

That is because FR Tyr IS the same as the norse good. On hallowed grounds explains why he chose to expand his influence to the faerunian pantheon (because other warlike deities in the norse pantheon expanded upon his worshipper base and he felt that he was slowly pushed out of the norse pantheon).

 

[Uzzy]

So, Ed was lying in all those articles where he talked about taking gods from real-world mythologies and only sometimes renaming them? So, a god that loses a hand to an immortal canine while his brethren are chaining it... and he happens to share the exact same name as the real-world god... that isn't an indication of taking from other sources? Oghma, a god of knowledge, isn't anything like the inventive Ogma, whose name was modified to name an alphabet (ogham)? No link there? Loviatar, maiden of agony and pain, is nothing like Loviatar, youngest of the god of death, and called the worst of her brethren? A goddess of luck named Tyche has no connection to the Greek goddess of fortune and destiny... also named Tyche? Corellon, Moradin, Garl, Lolth, and their ilk aren't based on the same exact gods from Greyhawk?

As was pointed out to you over on the WoTC boards, there are a fair few differences between the Norse Tyr and the Realmsian Tyr. However, I am not denying that the inspiration for such gods is taken from other places. I am also not putting forward the argument that that is what makes the Realms the Realms. Don't go Strawman on me now.

 

[Amphimir Míriel]

But what I really want to know is...

...when is Elminster going to become Major God of Deus-ex-Machina and Railroading??

I mean, that's the role he always plays, isn't it?

(The above is a joke, please don't flame me)

 

[Ty]

Meh, go ahead and kill him off / exit stage left / be absorbed by Torm.

 

[jester47]

Wow, so Torm just fired Tyr...

AND TOOK HIS STUFF

 

[jester47]

...when is Elminster going to become Major God of Deus-ex-Machina and Railroading??

I mean, that's the role he always plays, isn't it?

(The above is a joke, please don't flame me)

I am actually really wondering: Why isn't he the God of Magic in the realms yet? I think its time for him to man up, stop messing with the sexy Goddess of Magic and bug out to being a greater God. Best way for the Elmunchkins to have their cake and eat it too, and the rest of us get rid of the minster and can ignore him because he is now a greater God who does not interfere with this campaign.

 

[Rechan]

When it comes to FR, I always liked Helm more. He seemed like a decent guy.

Problem with Helm is that it's your duty to protect and breaking away from that for an emergency doesn't really work. (I.e. if you, a Helm-worshiper, are charged with protecting a site or a person, if there's some unrelated evil afoot over There, you can't really leave your post to go take care of it).

 

[ruleslawyer]

So, Ed was lying in all those articles where he talked about taking gods from real-world mythologies and only sometimes renaming them? So, a god that loses a hand to an immortal canine while his brethren are chaining it... and he happens to share the exact same name as the real-world god... that isn't an indication of taking from other sources? Oghma, a god of knowledge, isn't anything like the inventive Ogma, whose name was modified to name an alphabet (ogham)? No link there? Loviatar, maiden of agony and pain, is nothing like Loviatar, youngest of the god of death, and called the worst of her brethren? A goddess of luck named Tyche has no connection to the Greek goddess of fortune and destiny... also named Tyche? Corellon, Moradin, Garl, Lolth, and their ilk aren't based on the same exact gods from Greyhawk?

Of course Ed took gods from RW mythologies, although I fail to see how that qualifies as "steal[ing] everything that's not nailed down." The gods are pretty much where the stealing cuts off, for Ed at least; the RW analogues presented in the Realms (Maztica, pseudo-African Chult, Egyptian/Assyrian/Greek Old Empires, etc.) were done by other writers who veered pretty far out of the Realms' "core aesthetic."

[FWIW, I have no problem with stealing for campaign worlds anyway. I may not want to read novels that are ripped from elsewhere, but kitchen-sink gameworlds are how I like to play.]
Incidentally, talking about stealing the nonhuman gods from Greyhawk's a bit unfair. Those gods are "core" deities, not GH ones. They showed up first in Roger Moore's articles in Dragon and then in Unearthed Arcana (two years before the first FR boxed set), with no GH labels on them in either case.

 

[PeterWeller]

I thought about writing an actual, well-thought out post as to why this is a bad idea. Then I remembered that this is 4th Edition and if we don't embrace the changes, we're grognards who don't have anything to contribute to the discussion.

Meh, go ahead and kill him off / exit stage left / be absorbed by Torm. You're the designers and it's your game; not mine.

That's too bad. Even though I agree with this, I would've liked to see a solid argument against it.

 

[Umbran]

I thought about writing an actual, well-thought out post as to why this is a bad idea. Then I remembered that this is 4th Edition and if we don't embrace the changes, we're grognards who don't have anything to contribute to the discussion.

You know, this sort of thing doesn't help in the slightest.

In the future, if all you have to add is a negative over-generalization that folks are likely to take as an insult, go read a book, take a walk, or something. Don't post. We need more of this sort of negativity about our fellow posters about as much as we need a database crash.