Torm vs. Tyr

[Brian Compton]

While I don't have a problem with Torm replacing Tyr, per se, as I've always liked Torm more than Tyr (not that you couldn't guess that from my avatar ), it's another detail that has to be explained away. If they're trying to get rid of any and all "interloper deities," that would also get rid of Oghma (Celtic), Silvanus (Roman/Celtic), Mielikki and Loviatar (Finnish), and maybe Tymora and Beshaba (aspects of Tyche, a Greek goddess). Likewise, his followers have to go somewhere, as do Helm's. Now I can see part of why they said converting 3.5E characters won't be happening.

Fortunately, unlike such a decision in the Marvel or DC universes, DM's can simply ignore this and do their own thing. Especially if they want to keep the idea of the Triad.

And for those who think FR has useless gods, at least all the gods have some major area of importance. It could be like the Romans, who had the god Sterculinus (god of manure-spreading), Strucinator (god of weeding) and Cardea (goddess of door hinges). Not to mention the deities of every single part of a stalk of grain and every single stage of its development (like Nodutus, god of the joints and knots in the stems of grains).

 

[Uzzy]

Sigh. First Tyr gets stuck doing a fair few out of character actions, then gets demoted/removed/killed. Frankly, it seems that the only thing that the current FR designers know how to do is remove big parts of what makes the Realms the Realms.

We could always remove Tymora too. I mean, she performed quite a few actions contrary to her ethos, such as agreeing to an arranged marriage. And hey, she's the daughter of an interloper deity!

 

[The Little Raven]

Now I can see part of why they said converting 3.5E characters won't be happening.

To me, this is because of how much of a failure the 2e->3e conversion document was, since it severely altered the utility and power-level of most multi-classed characters. No point in putting out another document that is rubbish when it comes to accuracy.

 

[Henry]

1) Tyr realizes that he's thrown the Balance all out of whack, and that the dislike that people have for him personally will keep it damaged. So being the staunch supporter of maintaining the Balance that he is, he gives up his position, passing it to Torm, and moves on to other worlds.

I don't understand the talk of balance; Tyr is a being of law and good, and would rather the balance tip toward MORE lawful than less. Unless by "balance" you mean "established order," which I could see. Tyr would likely be all about lawful transition, and killing someone in the heat of affrontery would be upsetting to him, I would think.

 

[The Little Raven]

Tyr would likely be all about lawful transition, and killing someone in the heat of affrontery would be upsetting to him, I would think.

It depends on the circumstances.

If I'm the God of Justice, and I send my servant, the God of Guardians, to bargain for my bride, I expect him to do me honor and complete the task. If I discover that he is seeking to gain my bride for himself, I would feel a grave injustice has been done. As my portfolio demands, I would seek justice for such a betrayal, and when dealing with divinities death is usually the only form of justice I can deliver. So, I would challenge my traitorous servant to a duel and slay him, as honor and justice demand.

And Cyric would have a party because he just used Tyr's on portfolio against him, in order to reduce his allies and power.

 

[The Little Raven]

Frankly, it seems that the only thing that the current FR designers know how to do is remove big parts of what makes the Realms the Realms.

This seems to reinforce my belief that "acquiring" things from other works (real-world mythology and other settings) is what makes the Realms the Realms.

 

[KingCrab]

So what do we actually know is going on with Tyr and Torm in 4ed?

Added: Anything other than Torm in Tyr out?

 

[The Little Raven]

So what do we actually know is going on with Tyr and Torm in 4ed?

It is very likely that Tyr will exit, stage left, and Torm will take his place as a Greater God.

 

[KingCrab]

It is very likely that Tyr will exit, stage left, and Torm will take his place as a Greater God.

Too bad, I never much cared for Torm.

 

[The Little Raven]

Too bad, I never much cared for Torm.

I prefer original creations to ones that are *ahem* borrowed, wholesale, from other sources.