Touch Of Golden Ice

[iamtheend]

Okay so I was reading through the book of exalted deeds and read this thing that seems crazy.

So pretty much each time I physically touch anything of evil alignment they are going to suffer ability damage which will stack.

So what is the deal with Undead? It specifically says Undead would be given damage in the text but to my understanding Undead are immune to these things.

Lastly the 2ndary damage occurs after 1 full minute has elapse in the game?

Pg. 34 of the Book of Exalted Deeds includes information on this.

 

[the Jester]

Isn't that the "I take golden showers from a nymph" feat or something?

 

[Ravilah]

The Book of Exalted Deeds is full of all kinds of unbalanced, wonky wild awesomeness (and quite a bit of super shoddy lameness as well).

I gave up worrying about game balance when using anything out of BoED (or its cousin, Book of Vile Darkness).

 

[iamtheend]

Isn't that the "I take golden showers from a nymph" feat or something?

Your post wasn't very helpful but I look at your avatar and must tell you I love pugs. My campaign I made my friend have a Dire Pug animal companion.

 

[Dandu]

It grants a fortutide save. Three guesses as to what the highest save amongst monsters typically is, and the first two don't count.

 

[iamtheend]

It says specifically that undead take an extra 1 point of damage. So their immunity to fort saves in relation to this doesn't make sense. Is this supernatural ravage thing able to bypass this?

Also if an evil creature touches me would it work against them? I wouldn't think so but maybe someone thinks otherwise.

 

[Dandu]

1. I believe in this case, specific rules on Touch of Golden Ice overrule the general undead immunity, which is good because the undead typically have horrible fortitude saves.

2. That's an interesting point. I'd consider the effect active if you're actually attacking someone, rather than a passive always on effect, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[iamtheend]

"Any evil creature you touch with your bare hand, fist, or natural weapon is ravaged by golden ice (see Ravages and Afflictions in Chapter 3: Exalted Equipment for effects)."

Like that word can be interpreted in so many ways. Like as you need intentionally touch a creature. But one could argue that if someone is touching you then you are also touching the creature.

The 2ndary damage comes around after a minute of in game time has elapsed?

 

[Jimlock]

"Any evil creature you touch with your bare hand, fist, or natural weapon is ravaged by golden ice (see Ravages and Afflictions in Chapter 3: Exalted Equipment for effects)."

Like that word can be interpreted in so many ways. Like as you need intentionally touch a creature. But one could argue that if someone is touching you then you are also touching the creature.

The 2ndary damage comes around after a minute of in game time has elapsed?

bare hand = touch attack (only the effect)

fist = unarmed strike (unarmed strike damage + the effect)

natural weapon = attack with natural weapon (natural weapon damage + effect)

don't read too much into it... there is no spell/ability that works both ways unless stated by the spell/ability.

 

[Empirate]

Golden Ice is a Ravage, which is basically the same as a poison, except it works on evil-aligned creatures otherwise immune to poison, ability damage/drain, the works. Ravages are introduced in BoED as well, under equipment.
The Touch of Golden Ice feat basically imbues your touch with the power to transfer a tiny dose of the Golden Ice ravage. Meaning, since we're talking about a Ravage here, the typical Undead immunities are specifically overruled, and the evil Undead you touch take ability damage.

The feat is good, even if the Fort save DC is only 14 or so. Why? Because it's a rider effect that works all the time. Even a big bad with sky-high Fort will roll a 1 once in a time, and some creatures (coughundeadcough) will also have lousy Fort saves even at mid levels.
Expect the feat to be a monster at low levels, and slowly lose potency through the mid levels. At high levels, it won't do much anymore, but not every game goes that far.