D&D 5E Toxicity in the Fandom

[Zardnaar]

the sequel trilogy was too rushed and took some of the wrong lessons from the original and prequel trilogy and had incompatible criteria that should have been sorted out in pre-production, the lack of a singular director did not help.
but given some of the hate is just utter bigotry I would rather side with the people who like it as the other side is infested with people who make Orcus look fun at parties and Orcus can never be fun at parties.

Actors did fine and we''vr had things like female force users since 1991 and the old marvel comics for OG stuff. That was 1982 or so iirc.

Rey was badly written but that's more of a general problem vs specific to her and applies to the other characters as well.

Each sequel movie did it's own thing ignoring what came before which isn't a bad thing theoretically but when you're making part VII-IX not spinoffs or whatever that's a problem.

Nuanve is almost missed. Some 5E is good some is meh that statement applies to every other edition. I hate retconscand buying stuff twice so recent 5E changes are fine for me abstract but not so fine when it obsoletes existing stuff. More new editions stuff vs a 5.5.

Not so much what you say but how you say it. Online if someone doesn't like something you're gonna hear about it. A negative opinion doesn't bother me by itself. Generally I like 5E, B/X and 2E doesn't bother me one iota if you don't.

 

[AnotherGuy]

but you must admit the hatred of the actors, harassment and bigotry were uncalled for and are sickening.

None of that is ok! Imagine if social media was around during the time of Star Trek: Next Generation.
What is also not ok are massive production companies playing politics and they openly do.

What I find interesting is that the same "toxic" fandom loves the actors in something like The Boys or the Marvel Netflix series - even if the script is weak in places. These are the same harassing, bigoted actor hating individuals and yet they may bash the series, they may bash the direction of the storyline, the script...etc but the vitriol for the actors is far far less than what we have experienced for certain characters/actors in Star Wars and the Marvel movies.

I think it is an interesting point to consider why THAT is the case - and often it is ALWAYS overlooked because it is easier to just vilify. We like to do it all the time. Anyways, that is all I'm going to comment on this matter.

 

[billd91]

What is also not ok are massive production companies playing politics and they openly do.

What constitutes “playing politics“ here?

 

[Mind of tempest]

And this is the goal.

Vilify the 'other', so that you can simply point to critic's as hateful.

Social Media 101: 2020-2022.

that would only work if I am incapable of nuances, the problem is the leaders of the critics the uniting voices are well hateful trash who hate anything with a woman or a non-white major character, life ain't black and white but sometimes it is really easy.
if a critical faction emerged who was just film criticism but no bigotry I would happily join them but I have yet to find them.
I ain't a good person I will admit, but I got standards even the damned got lines they will not cross.

A negative opinion doesn't bother me by itself. Generally I like 5E, B/X and 2E doesn't bother me one iota if you don't.

ah clearly you have found enlightenment as oddly few grasp this basic point.

None of that is ok! Imagine if social media was around during the time of Star Trek: Next Generation.
What is also not ok are massive production companies playing politics and they openly do.

we have an idea of what that would be like from some of the fan mail which got messed up fast.

 

[Scribe]

What constitutes “playing politics“ here?

 

[Mind of tempest]

the fact I get what this is from is odd to me, I will likely end up the last man alive with the Robbie the robot idea of high tech.

 

[Scribe]

that would only work if I am incapable of nuances

Its not about the individual, its about generating a momentum for/against.

if a critical faction emerged who was just film criticism but no bigotry I would happily join them but I have yet to find them.

I'm afraid you are not looking then.

I found the last trilogy terrible, especially The Last Jedi. Has nothing to do with the cast, and everything to do with the writing.

 

[AnotherGuy]

What constitutes “playing politics“ here?

 

[Mind of tempest]

Its not about the individual, its about generating a momentum for/against.

where any groups have an incompatible views of the world a for or against will form it is not more stoppable than the tide or the march of time.

I'm afraid you are not looking then.

I found the last trilogy terrible, especially The Last Jedi. Has nothing to do with the cast, and everything to do with the writing.

I do look but had little luck.

I would agree with you there the writing was badly done and lacked goals or clear direction but we agree on this thus we have little to discuss.

that is a flame war bait so I am not touching it with a fifty-light year barge pole.

 

[Scribe]

where any groups have an incompatible views of the world a for or against will form it is not more stoppable than the tide or the march of time.

Right, the trick is to paint anyone with criticism, with the same brush as those with 'incompatible views of the world' as you then get to dismiss said criticism as 'hateful'.

It happens, and companies are now doing it with their media projects.

Fandom's are toxic? Sure, some are, have been, and there always will be segments that are.

Painting 'fandom' as toxic? That's a more recent development, and media companies are doing it to deflect, or dismiss, criticism of their products.