trip with spiked chain

[Torq]

If a PC uses a spiked chain to trip an opponent from 10ft away and the opponent wins the opposed strength check, does the oppenent get a chance to trip even if their weapon doesn't have reach? It seems like the only thing the opponent could do is pull the chain out of the PC's hands for a successful disarm.

I don't know if I missed something in the rules or maybe a sage advice. If I did please direct me to it, but all opinions are welcome.

 

[Archer]

You have the choice of dropping the chain or falling prone if you fail the opposed check.

The chain has tangled on the person but you failed to pull them down, instead they pull back on the chain and you either go with it or its jerked out of your grasp.

 

[Torq]

If the opponent without a reach weapon can trip you, isn't the point of having a reach weapon significantly lower. I guess it is more balanced that way it just seems like opting to fight with a reach weapon gives enemies all the advantages of a reach weapon also.

 

[0-hr]

What would be more fun would be if you tried to disarm him with the chain. This would provoke an attack of opportunity, which he could use to try and disarm you (really all he can do since he is way over there). But that provokes and attack itself, which you can then you as a trip attempt!

If you were both lousy fighters, this could come down to the following if each attack failed:

You roll your trip.
He rolls his counter-trip.
He rolls his disarm.
You roll your counter disarm.
You roll your disarm.
He rolls his counter-disarm.

And then we can go on to your NEXT attack!

Ok, maybe that isn't more fun...

 

[Gromm]

If the opponent without a reach weapon can trip you, isn't the point of having a reach weapon significantly lower. I guess it is more balanced that way it just seems like opting to fight with a reach weapon gives enemies all the advantages of a reach weapon also.

Not really this is the one situation where reach doesn't help you.
Besides the real advantage of reach is that provoke AoO when people try to get close enough to attack you.

 

[Archer]

You can't take an AoO against someone outside of your threat range so there is no AoO from a ranged disarm.

The odds of having a large 2-handed weapon disarmed are about zero.

 

[Gromm]

The odds of having a large 2-handed weapon disarmed are about zero.

Much less one with an added +2 bonus to the roll.

 

[evileeyore]

You can't take an AoO against someone outside of your threat range so there is no AoO from a ranged disarm.

The odds of having a large 2-handed weapon disarmed are about zero.

Except that in the example provided he was using a spiked chain which is not a ranged weapon, and his opponent is within his threatened zone.

So yes there would be an AoO againt the disarm... and the odds aren't zero, there just low, specifically at a -4 (or -20%)... Unless of course your using your two-handed sword to disarm his spiked chain...

 

[Gromm]

So yes there would be an AoO againt the disarm... and the odds aren't zero, there just low, specifically at a -4 (or -20%)... Unless of course your using your two-handed sword to disarm his spiked chain...

Well a Spiked Chain vs Longsword
Spiked Chain +4 Size, +4 Two hands, +2 Spiked Chain
Long Sword +0

+10s a pretty big advantage.

And if you're trying to disarm a large two-handed weapon, you're probably going to fail anyway.