Two-Volume Settings and the Legacy of Editions Past

Ahnirades

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As most of us are no doubt aware, Wizard’s current setting publication model comprises of a player’s guide, a DM’s reference and a single adventure, repeated annually. It’s a straightforward approach, intended to offer breadth of choice without requiring the enormous buy in that the decades-old monoliths of previous editions insisted on.

Yet as I flicked through the Player’s Guide to Eberron I found myself asking the kind of basic, nuts and bolts questions that any self-respecting introductory book should answer. What does the lightning rail actually look like? Or an elemental carriage? What are the limits of magical technology and how does its use impact on daily life? Beyond that were a host of more detailed queries unlikely to be answered under the two volume format.

My solution was to go online, where I eventually ended up ordering a pile of 3.x books. Doing so led to the realisation that a detail orientated GM like myself is virtually required to adopt the literature of an earlier edition if he wants to properly explore a world published under the current one. As someone who had very little interest in 3.x the sense of irony I felt regarding my situation was pronounced.

Now, whilst I have no doubt that the Eberron Campaign Guide will be as comprehensive a book as it can be, the lack of further planned support means it will be a broad-brush treatment only. Great for some, not so good for others. Ideally I’d like to see supplemental material appearing via the DDI, perhaps as a series of lengthy articles featuring modular, downloadable content that complements and expands upon the published material. The one-setting-per-year embargo could still be enforced, with the next annual release heralding the end of Setting X's run as it makes way for Setting Y's monthly support.

In short, I’d like to see Wizards adopt a model that accomodates the subset of their userbase whom desire a fuller realisation of their worlds.
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Well actually Wizard is planning on having every month articles dealing with their campaign settings so for now Eberron and FR. So I would say you are in luck in that what you liked to see is gonna happen.

I am quite a fan of this format since it means each setting will get equal treatment and quality/support. You won't need to divide the team working on Y because they need to continue to produce books for X.
 

My solution was to go online, where I eventually ended up ordering a pile of 3.x books.
That's my solution, as well.
The 'fluff'-oriented 3E books will never be outdated. They're an excellent source about the setting.

Actually, I even consider some of 2E stuff essential. Take the monstrous manuals and compare them with the 4E monster manual. If the monsters didn't have art, you'd often not even have a clue what they look like!

I found this especially aggravating in Open Grave. It's chock-full with new monsters (167 if I counted right) but there's only one picture for about one in 6 or so... unless you already know the monster from a previous edition, you're out of luck.

So, yeah, try to get hold of those old source books!
 

That's my solution, as well.
The 'fluff'-oriented 3E books will never be outdated. They're an excellent source about the setting.

Actually, I even consider some of 2E stuff essential. Take the monstrous manuals and compare them with the 4E monster manual. If the monsters didn't have art, you'd often not even have a clue what they look like!

I found this especially aggravating in Open Grave. It's chock-full with new monsters (167 if I counted right) but there's only one picture for about one in 6 or so... unless you already know the monster from a previous edition, you're out of luck.

So, yeah, try to get hold of those old source books!

On another forum I suggested the idea of a third online magazine that deals exclusively with setting content. Each world would get two or three years of monthly articles, eventually being replaced with support for newer settings. Package it with DDI and you're good to go.

Now I'm unsure how financially viable this idea is, but from an infrastructural perspective everything is already in place.
 

Yeah, the current model isn't good if you like setting support/detail. Even assuming material through the DDI coming out each month, the 4e support doesn't seem like it would amount to even the content of a single 3e supplement book. And under the 4e model, you can't just buy supplemental material for a setting you like, you have to subscribe to the DDI which would have you paying for material for settings you might not even like. Adding a by-the-article format for purchasing DDI stuff would settle that latter problem, but I can't see them adding it because full subscriptions would probably suffer as a result.

Additionally, the current 4e one-setting-per-year and nothing beyond model would also "not divide the team" but it also would have designers working on material they might not have any experience or knowledge writing for. A greater tendency for radical setting changes (see FR) and setting continuity might crop up as a direct result of that.

Setting support isn't a highlight of the current 4e model.
 

Setting support isn't a highlight of the current 4e model.
I like new settings, and I'm perfectly happy with limited setting support provided that is made clear up front.

What I want is new settings. I am glad Forgotten Realms is out of the way, I might look at the Eberron Campaign Guide, but I already have more than enough Eberron stuff for my simple tastes.

I'm anxiously awaiting the announcement of the new setting, but now it looks like there is a reasonable chance it might be flippin' Dragonlance. Been there, done that.

Where is the new setting to show off what 4th edition can do? I don't even play 4th edition, but I'd buy the setting.
 

I like new settings, and I'm perfectly happy with limited setting support provided that is made clear up front.

What I want is new settings. I am glad Forgotten Realms is out of the way, I might look at the Eberron Campaign Guide, but I already have more than enough Eberron stuff for my simple tastes.

I'm anxiously awaiting the announcement of the new setting, but now it looks like there is a reasonable chance it might be flippin' Dragonlance. Been there, done that.

Where is the new setting to show off what 4th edition can do? I don't even play 4th edition, but I'd buy the setting.

I agree, I am enjoying the new way of handling the settings. They are left more open, and there is no need to worry about "canon". A good DM can come up with plenty of interesting details and plots on their own. The new setting format supplies all the basics you need, along with lots of plot hooks, rumors, and tips for customizing the world to what YOU want it to be.

While the FR books were good, and the Eberron PG is great (as I'm sure the Campaign Guide will be), I REALLY want to see new settings, not rehashes of older settings. Maybe eventually WotC should do Dragonlance, Dark Sun, etc- but I'd much rather see a new dark fantasy PoL setting showcasing and highlighting many of 4E's flavor and tone. 4E needs to establish a setting with its own identity, much like 3e did with Eberron. So if you're listening WotC, PLEASE give us a new setting for 4E.
 

My solution was to go online, where I eventually ended up ordering a pile of 3.x books.

If only there were a way to avoid worrying about finding increasingly rare OOP book, but instead to allow consumers a way to purchase electronic versions of previous editions' books, maybe in some sort of document format that was portable from computer to computer. If only the market could provide that.....

More seriously, I agree that older editions have a lot to offer current edition DMs. Eberron is a great example where the past sourcebooks have a lot of ideas that can easily be brought to the current edition.
 

I really like the way they're handling the settings as well. There're only so many resources to go around (and I've heard that one of the reasons TSR failed was that they were spread too thin trying to support the core game and so many different settings which each demanded their own entire product lines).

As a fan of Eberron, I hadn't noticed a lack of description of the lightning rails, as I've really only skimmed the EPG so far and that's not the sort of thing which would have caught my attention. For what it's worth, even in 3e the best idea I had of them was "a magical train," and frankly that's pretty accurate. The only thing that might be a bit hard to picture without adequate description/illustration is the actual track the lightning rail travels on.
 

I think the strategy makes sense for the old settings.

1) FR - I am the target market for the 100 year jump/spellplague. I never bought a FR book in my 25 year gaming history, and I wasn't about to try bearing the weight of that setting. However, I did buy the 4e books. I still probably won't run anything in the setting, but I do like a lot of what I see and may try some judicious ports into:

2) Eberron - I have every 3e book created for this setting, and PDF's of every Dragonshards article. I even have a few Dragon/Dungeon magazines with Eberron articles in it (the only previous Dragons were purchased back in the Phil and Dixie days). I don't really want to repurchase all the fluff, so the level of detail is fine with me - I have plenty of other source material to draw from, but I can see the frustration of a DM who is just seeing Eberron for the first time and wants more than what has been provided.

3) If 2010 = Dragonlance, I can probably bring myself to buy two books, but if it were more, I probably wouldn't buy any. I'm just not that interested in the setting beyond mild curiosity.

4) If 2010 = Dark Sun, I'm down for as many books as they could produce, and will still probably troll eBay for the original stuff.

5) A completely original setting? If it were compelling, I'd probably want more than two books and a few Dragon articles. If not, then not.
 

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