Two Weapon Fighting Question

[The Amazing Dingo]

Quickie question:

With the Two Weapon Feat, the attack gained with the second weapon is at what BAB if the PC has multiple attacks per round?

Thank you

 

[Gilwen]

Quickie question:

With the Two Weapon Feat, the attack gained with the second weapon is at what BAB if the PC has multiple attacks per round?

Thank you

It is at his highest, don't forget to add in the penalties for two weapon fighting to all of the attacks.

Bryan

 

[Tatsukun]

Right, to elaborate…

Bob the fighter has a Longsword (LS) and a Shortsword (SS).
He is a 7th level fighter, so his BAB is +7/+2.
He has the two-weapon-fighting feat.

If he attacks with just the Longsword, his attacks are +7 (LS) / +2 (LS)

If he attacks with both weapons, his attacks are +5 (LS) / +5 (SS) / +0 (LS)

If he has the improved two weapon fighting feat, and attacks with both weapons his attacks are +5 (LS) / +5 (SS) / +0 (LS) +0 (SS).

-Tatsu

 

[The Amazing Dingo]

Outstanding! Thanks all! I thought I remembered 3.0 stating that it was made at the highest BAB but didn't see it in the SRD, so thought it best to ask.

Tatsukun, shouldn't Bob incur a -5 penalty for the Improved Two Weapon Fighting? Just wondering cause I've never cared for the Imp. TWF because I think the penalty is a bit too much.

 

[Chorn]

Tatsukun, shouldn't Bob incur a -5 penalty for the Improved Two Weapon Fighting? Just wondering cause I've never cared for the Imp. TWF because I think the penalty is a bit too much.

He already accounted for the penalty since Improved gives you another attack at your highest bonus, in this case +5, which comes out to the +0 at the end. To put it another way, all the TWF feats give you as many off-hand attacks as you have primaries up until the last one which would spill over into Epic territory.

 

[The Amazing Dingo]

So for TWF, the -2 penalty applies to all of the attacks while for Improved TWF, the penalty only applies to the newest gained attack (while stacking with the -2 of the TWF)?

I was always under the impression that the -5 of Imp. TWF applied across the board.

 

[Particle_Man]

Double post

 

[Particle_Man]

Take Sir Kickbutt, 16th level fighter.

Normally, lets say he attacks at +26/+21/+16/+11 with one weapon (adding in plusses from STR, magic, etc. to the BAB of +16/+11/+6/+1).

Give him TWF, and he can attack with two weapons without too much hassle, and his attacks are +24/+19/+14/+9 with one hand and +24 with his other hand.
This might be written as +24/+24/+19/+14/+9

Give him ITWF, and he gets an extra "2nd tier" attack, and so attacks at +24/+19 with his "off" hand (note that it is not really an "off" hand, since Sir Kickbutt is ambidextrous, but it is the hand that is getting less attacks right now). Now his attacks look like +24/+24/+19/+19/+14/+9.

Give him GTWF, and he gets an extra "3rd tier" attack, and so attacks at +24/+19/+14 with his "off" hand. Now his attacks look like +24/+24/+19/+19/+14/+14/+9.

Alas, he is too low level to be epic, and so cannot yet gain the feat that would give him that extra "4th tier" attack.

So, the -5 mentioned in ITWF is just to indicate that the extra attack is at the "2nd tier" level, not the "1st tier" level. That is why it is not a blanket -5 to all attacks.

 

[Tatsukun]

Right, but it should be noted that the -2 to attacks you take when fighting with two weapons (assuming one is light and you have the feat) applies to all attacks made that round. So if you get to make an Attack of Opportunity, it is also at -2 (and you can only attack with one weapon per Attack of Opportunity).

Sir Kickbutt would make an attack of opportunity at +24 if he had fought with both weapons that round (or the previous round if he hadn't gone yet in the current round), but he could choose which weapon to attack with.

If he had only attacked with one weapon that round (or the previous round if he hadn't gone yet in the current round), he could make an attack of opportunity at +26, but only with the weapon he had attacked with that round (or the previous round if he hadn't gone yet in the current round). He is considered to be only holding the second weapon at that point, not wielding it.

-Tatsu

 

[The Amazing Dingo]

Thank you very much all. I had not noticed before about how the TWF ladder keeps it even with the normal BAB.

Again, thanks kindly. I appreciate it.