Two Weeks and Counting -- November 2nd!

[Quartz]

I too like the white on black scheme. But then I'm an old fart who cut his teeth on computers with monochrome VDUs and less. Anyone else remember front panel switches?

 

[Michael Morris]

In today's screenshot we take a look at what posts will look like.

http://www.enworld.org/images/en2preview2.png

Again, that's an actual screenshot, not a mockup. IE will look slightly different due to its incomplete CSS support. (the quotes won't have the stylized border). If you can get a real browser such as Firefox 2. IE - 6 or 7 - is a piece of crap. I will no longer be penalizing the other browsers of the world by binding the page appearance to only what IE can do. Each browser will be pushed to the limit of what it can do visually - but that means IE will look like the dated piece of crap browser it is at heart in comparison to the page feeds the other browsers receive. IE pages will be legible and functional - but beyond that no promises.

 

[Zurai]

Wow. Do not like that stylized border at all. I hope my version of Opera doesn't support it or I'll have to look at it in IE.

 

[Michael Morris]

Wow. Do not like that stylized border at all. I hope my version of Opera doesn't support it or I'll have to look at it in IE.

I'm not sure I like it myself. All the same I can't get the wrap to work properly in Suckernet Exploder no matter what I try. Ususally I muddle through things until I get them right - though it's a headache to do. And the stress only increases when deadlines press. The goal is to make something look the same in all browsers - to that end the underlying framework of EN2 (Called "Pam" which stands for PHP Ajax Multimedia" has a CSS parser. Consider the following

#secondTabs
{
	[[!Opera,Safari: height: 24px; ]] /*These browsers support inline-block and don't need to float */
	padding: 0px;
	margin: 10px 10px 0px 22px;
}

#secondTabs ul
{
	list-style: none;
}

#secondTabs li {
	height: 24px;
	width: 111px;	
	[[Opera,Safari: display: inline-block;
	[else]
	float: left; ]]
	margin: 0px 2px;
}

#secondTabs li a
{
	background: url([SITE_ROOT]/images/navbutton2.gif) no-repeat;
	background-position: -111px 0px;
	font-size: 9pt;
	text-align: center;
	font-weight: bold;
	display: block;
	width: 111px;
	height: 24px;
	overflow: hidden;
	color: #000;
}

#secondTabs li a:hover {
	text-decoration: none;
	background-position: 0px 0px;

}

The above is code for the tab row. The [[ ]] tags in that css are eval'ed by PAM when the css is being sent to the browser. In the above situation the CSS2 CORRECT thing to do is declare the tabs inline-block and line them up that way. However, IE and Firefox both lack support for inline-block despite it being part of the standard for seven years. They can do the effect by floating the elements, though that creates headaches in Opera and Safari. The solution is to use the parsing tags to split what is sent between browsers.

IE 6 is responsible for 90% of these types of special tag inclusions. It's bugs are many and numerous. Older versions of IE 6 can even be crashed using a CSS file. While CSS can't crash IE 6 anymore (I think) it still gets a lot of display elements outright wrong and it's a constant hassle to work with it. I hates IE. I hate it with a bleeding passion, right precious?

 

[Snapdragyn]

Another voice for maintaining the dark colors in 4EN.

 

[cougent]

I too like the white on black scheme. But then I'm an old fart who cut his teeth on computers with monochrome VDUs and less. Anyone else remember front panel switches?

Anpther vote for the light text / dark background. I am also of the old school, old guard, or just old that started with white on black displays, and remembers front panel switches (can you say IMSAI 8080?).

 

[Michael Morris]

Another voice for maintaining the dark colors in 4EN.

Did you know that EN2 has a handy dandy feature called thread-ban? And if we were on EN2 those types of bans would start coming down already? The color scheme is not going to be changing at this point and continuing to harass me regarding it will only cause me to move the creation of a dark theme further and further DOWN the list of things to do - right now it's sitting at about March on my calendar savvy?

 

[Michael Morris]

Anpther vote for the light text / dark background. I am also of the old school, old guard, or just old that started with white on black displays, and remembers front panel switches (can you say IMSAI 8080?).

Make that April

 

[Zurai]

"Lots of people want a dark theme for the site. Thus, I'm going to delay the creation of a dark theme!"

Brilliant. Way to provide top-level service.

 

[Raven Crowking]

"Lots of people want a dark theme for the site. Thus, I'm going to delay the creation of a dark theme!"

Brilliant. Way to provide top-level service.

The site's free. Anything provided is a bonus.

"Lots of people want a dark theme for the site. Thus, I'm going to make a dark theme a service for supporters!" would be brilliant.

EN World is not beholden to you.

RC