D&D 5E (2024) Unconfirmed Dark Sun World Book

[Yaarel]

I agree that’s probably the line, but not that they’ll remove it from the setting entirely. It just won’t be so central to the basic functions of society. Much like in FR, you may have slaver enemies to fight, but their slave taking and trading activities will probably be kept vague and implied to be illicit. The sorcerer kings might be known to own slaves, and slaves might be known to be forced to fight in the arenas, but the average citizens of the city-states will consider slavery distasteful and take pride in not having to rely on slave labor.

It depends on the timeline. If the time is after the sorcerer monarchs have been overthrown, then also there is no more slavery.

But presumably there the defilers are still operating underground (figuratively, perhaps literally), and the transmogrified dragons may still be leading them.

 

[SableWyvern]

Yeah, I accepted a while back that I’m more in love with the concept of Dark Sun than the actual game. A lot of the things I think of as core to the setting’s identity aren’t really consistent with what was actually written, they’re basically head canon I dreamed up while reading the 4e Dark Sun books.

This is the way it should always be, IMO.

I can talk about all the things I love about Dark Sun, but my Dark Sun is pretty much OBS + Ivory Triangle + Parts of the Elemental Priest sourcebook + My Personal Take. This means I'm largely ignoring 90% or more of the official published material (and I'm ignoring even more if you consider Athas Org official).

 

[Maxperson]

He's offering up a false argument that nobody has made.

Irrelevant to whether or not it's a Strawman. He's not doing it to an opponents argument or attributing it to someone else. Like I said, there was another fallacy there(maybe a few), but Strawman wasn't it.

 

[MGibster]

Make your mind up! Do you want it the same or do you want it different?

Ask nine D&D fans what they want and you'll get thirteen answers. Pleasing everyone is an impossible task.

But it's all right now/
I learned my lesson well/
You see, you can't please everyone/
So you got to please yourself/
-- Rick Nelson and The Stone Canyon Band

 

[Superchunk77]

Just saying, the probably most widely accepted Dark Sun product done recently was WotC's 4E version of it that, y'know, deliberately ignored half of Dark Sun's canon, and was widely accepted and praised for doing so.

4e Dark Sun didn't ignore nearly half of the canon from earlier editions. If anything, it took almost all of the old canon as is, then added a bunch of 4e stuff on top so people could still play tieflings and warlocks. That's why it was praised by Dark Sun fans.

I can guarantee that is not what we'll get with a 5e Dark Sun book from WotC.

 

[Superchunk77]

Make your mind up! Do you want it the same or do you want it different?

I don't want it at all.

 

[Zardnaar]

4e Dark Sun didn't ignore nearly half of the canon from earlier editions. If anything, it took almost all of the old canon as is, then added a bunch of 4e stuff on top so people could still play tieflings and warlocks. That's why it was praised by Dark Sun fans.

I can guarantee that is not what we'll get with a 5e Dark Sun book from WotC.

Its not that well regarded lol.

There's a bubble here insisting it is but fan based material is mostly 2E and 3E still. Darksun fans site had 4E DS at 4% being played.

Cartography was better than 4E FR which was terrible.
Rereading 4E DS now they butchered the lore. Arabian Night vibes here and there.

The original boxed sets the gold standard along with product that expands on that. More Prism Pentad and revised boxed set added the worse it gets imho.

 

[Zardnaar]

This is the way it should always be, IMO.

I can talk about all the things I love about Dark Sun, but my Dark Sun is pretty much OBS + Ivory Triangle + Parts of the Elemental Priest sourcebook + My Personal Take. This means I'm largely ignoring 90% or more of the official published material (and I'm ignoring even more if you consider Athas Org official).

Throw in Dune Trader and thats a good chunk of the quality DS stuff.

 

[Staffan]

It depends on the timeline. If the time is after the sorcerer monarchs have been overthrown, then also there is no more slavery.

That is not necessarily true. When Kalak was killed, the victors abolished slavery – because that was a condition of the group consisting of two gladiators, one enslaved preserver, and one noble psionicist who had just had a revelation about slavery being bad, for making a templar the new king. But in the revised box set, three more sorcerer-monarchs were removed, and their cities still kept practicing slavery – Raam has descended into anarchy, Draj tries to keep to business as usual with a figurehead as the new king, and Balic is ruled by a council of trade lords.

 

[Mecheon]

Its not that well regarded lol.

There's a bubble here insisting it is but fan based material is mostly 2E and 3E still. Darksun fans site had 4E DS at 4% being played.

Cartography was better than 4E FR which was terrible.
Rereading 4E DS now they butchered the lore. Arabian Night vibes here and there.

The original boxed sets the gold standard along with product that expands on that. More Prism Pentad and revised boxed set added the worse it gets imho.

No? Genuinely like, around the net, 4E Dark Sun was pretty well received, especially over Prism Pentad stuff, meanwhile I hear basically nothing about the 3E attempts