Undead and haste

[Umbran]

How can you possibly posit that when Skip says "The 'harmless spells' reasoning" he somehow doesn't mean "your entire argument"?

Okay, fine. If you require a fine toothed comb... I posit this by taking him at his word. While he's not perfect, he generally means what he says.

If he had wanted to say "your entire argument", he would have. I instead note that he doesn't say that the entire argument is wrong. He doesn't even say the "harmless" argument is completely wrong. What he says is that the harmless argument "is not exactly valid".

"Not exactly valid" doesn't, in my mind, equate to, "wrong in all particulars". If it does in yours, so be it.

 

[Junkheap]

I firstly(is that a word?) agree on the INTELLIGENT undead getting hasted, not the mindless ones(unless specifically commanded to accept but that open up a whole can of shiznit that i do not want to go into here).

But if you can haste undead, you CAN haste objects. Mind you objects are not intelligent but as far as the ruling goes, it is possible. Undead & objects are pretty much in the same boat.

Ok, maybe i will rip open the can of worms. Say an evil cleric who commands zombies, skeletons and the like basically commands them to accept the next spell, which he wants the mage to cast which is mass haste(don't know if this is possible or not). What if a party beats him in iniative and casts something like destruction(pick a spell that normally doesn't affect them)on an undead. Does he automatically die now, of does he actually get a save?
PS I know this is a very out there scenario, but bear with me for my curiosity sake.

Btw can mages/clerics who create golems communicate with them? That would be one psycho hasted golem, that i wouldn't want a piece of.

 

[Umbran]

Btw can mages/clerics who create golems communicate with them? That would be one psycho hasted golem, that i wouldn't want a piece of.

Communicate with? Well, the description of golems says that they are "bound to teh will of the golem's creator". And, considerig that a clay golem has haste built into it, I think this is probably possible.