Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Now I'm picturing a lich sitting down next to someone getting scratched behind the ears. "Who's a good lich! You are!"Not long after that, "how to be a good lich?"
Now I'm picturing a lich sitting down next to someone getting scratched behind the ears. "Who's a good lich! You are!"Not long after that, "how to be a good lich?"
We did away with it for haste, but kept it for polymorph, coming back from the dead, and petrification. I'm not 100%, but we may have done away with it for ghost aging as well, since aging so much was already punishment enough.I think that's a fine house rule!
IME, system shock rolls were not common at many tables. They did seem unusually punitive.
I would add that the resurrection limit and the resurrection chance to survive was also not very often observed, but, as always, individual table variance is high.
Since fighters had an attack rate of 3/2 or 1 attack the first round and 2 attacks the second round, wouldn't doubling the rate be 2 attacks the first round and 4 attacks the second round? It's still 6 attacks over two rounds, but 3 attacks a round doesn't seem like an accurate doubling of the fighter's current attack rate.
We never had an issue with 3e Haste.and then we come to 3E and most broken version of the Haste in history.
We did away with it for haste, but kept it for polymorph, coming back from the dead, and petrification. I'm not 100%, but we may have done away with it for ghost aging as well, since aging so much was already punishment enough.
That and undead.The reason we never had an issue with haste in 1e is because Magic Users were all like ....
Third Level Spell? IMA GO BOOM WITH FIREBALL!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!
For those who want to check the source on this (which, as a lawyer, I'm sure Snarf won't take offense at), here's a link to the aforementioned post.Gygax answered a question about haste here on these forums! When asked about haste, aging and system shock, he replied-
[Haste was] Too popular until "fixed." The Haste spell, along with Speed potion consumption, was the subject of considerable abuse in not only my camopaign but in many others. Thus the strictures [age and system shock] added to the spell.
Most persons getting hasted were fighters with good constitution scores, so the system shock was not all that tough a challenge. Elf and dwarf fighters didn't care about the aging effect either. so the added demands didn't do more than cut the abuse by around 90%
For those who want to check the source on this (which, as a lawyer, I'm sure Snarf won't take offense at), here's a link to the aforementioned post.
I don't remember the caster having to roll. I thought only the person being raised had to make the roll.My current players are super wary of haste because of the aging effect - one group had a huge argument about it because the wizard cast it on the party without warning anyway. Thankfully no one died.
And there's one temple in my game that now refuses to cast raise dead or resurrection for the party because doing so has already killed two of its high priests through system shock failure!