Undead Ur-Priest?

[Finster]

Returning to the game after a long hiatus...

I am creating a villian for my home-brew campaign and have decided on a lich that has forsaken the Gods. I would really like to give him levels in the Ur-Priest prestige class from Complete Divine, but the requirements for that class include a +3 Fort save as a prerequisite. A Lich (being undead) has no Con, and hence makes no Fort saves. Does this mean that a Lich (or any undead) can not be an Ur-Priest, or can they be an Ur-Priest as long their character classes provide that bonus (which I believe is the intent), or are these two disassociated subjects?

I would like to know and don't have the time comb through the rule books. Thanks for your help.

 

[Nifft]

Liches certainly do make Fort saves! Otherwise, disintegrate is far less awesome than it should be.

They're immune to most Fort saves, but not all.

Cheers, --N

 

[Hypersmurf]

A Lich (being undead) has no Con, and hence makes no Fort saves.

This is inaccurate. A Lich has no Con, which means he has an effective +0 ability modifier to his Fortitude saves.

Some creatures lack certain ability scores. These creatures do not have an ability score of 0—they lack the ability altogether. The modifier for a nonability is +0.

A Lich can still be affected by things with a Fortitude save if they also affect objects: for example, Disintegrate.

Note that the Undead type grants a poor Fortitude save (like a wizard), and undead creatures in the Monster Manual have Fortitude save bonuses listed. For example, a Ghast has a Fortitude save of +1: 1 for 4 undead hit dice, and 0 for a Con of --. A Mummy Lord (8 undead hit dice, and 10 cleric levels) has a Fortitude save of +13, including his +2 cloak of resistance and his Great Fortitude feat.

-Hyp.

 

[Finster]

Thanks Nifft and Smurf, that is exactly what I was looking for! Lack of Con does not preclude a save bonus.

You guys rock!

 

[szilard]

Also, I have to say that the idea of a Ur-Priest Lich is totally awesome.

-Stuart