D&D 4E Unnecessary monster appearance changes in 4e

DragonBelow said:
It's a really pathetic attempt to make people buy the upcoming reboot of the minis line.

Everybody always joked that WotC would change the scale or base shape of the miniatures, what we will get is just as bad, an unnecessary change made with the sole purpose of making you buy the new minis.

If you're about to say that the new dragon looks better, slap yourself in the face, as they have already accomplished what they wanted. On the other hand if you're about to say that nobody is forcing me to buy the new minis, that is not my point, my point is, 4e should be about significant improvements that make the game better, not an blatantly obvious up sell of game accessories.

not only that. IMHO the monster's fluff changes (i.e. that things about demons and devils) that will make have the main function to make useless the fluff books of previous edition, did you bought the 3.5 fiend codexes? though luck, either you put a lot of effort adapting it to 4D! or buy the new codex when it will come out, andi if you do the first then you probably won't buy a lot of 4D! material anyway.

Yeah, I could be wrong, but if I'm not then I expect to seea lot of changes in the monster that had large quantity of strong fluff in previous editions, like drows, aberrations, celestials and so on.
 

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DragonBelow said:
It's a really pathetic attempt to make people buy the upcoming reboot of the minis line.

Everybody always joked that WotC would change the scale or base shape of the miniatures, what we will get is just as bad, an unnecessary change made with the sole purpose of making you buy the new minis.

If you're about to say that the new dragon looks better, slap yourself in the face, as they have already accomplished what they wanted. On the other hand if you're about to say that nobody is forcing me to buy the new minis, that is not my point, my point is, 4e should be about significant improvements that make the game better, not an blatantly obvious up sell of game accessories.
While I don't believe the minis market is the primary drive behind monster (visual) makeovers, I also see no reason to change the appearance of monsters between edition.

I thought the same thing between 2E and 3E. IMHO, most of the changes in monster appearances then were change for change sake, and didn't add anything to the game. (The 3E tarrasque dopesn't look anywhere as cool as the 2E MM2 version - but then I'm a huge Jim Holloway fan :p )
 

Thurbane said:
While I don't believe the minis market is the primary drive behind monster (visual) makeovers, I also see no reason to change the appearance of monsters between edition.

I thought the same thing between 2E and 3E. IMHO, most of the changes in monster appearances then were change for change sake, and didn't add anything to the game. (The 3E tarrasque dopesn't look anywhere as cool as the 2E MM2 version - but then I'm a huge Jim Holloway fan :p )

In an alternate universe, WotC releases 4E with no new art whatsoever, and people are up in arms about how they're being "ripped off".
 


Morrus said:
In an alternate universe, WotC releases 4E with no new art whatsoever, and people are up in arms about how they're being "ripped off".

Lol. Another no-winning situation for my list.

"it's D&D 4E with whole new art!"
"ah, why do we need new art? it's a change for the sakes of change, it adds nothing to the game"

"it's a new D&D editon, but the art you love from the previous edition remains!"
"we are been ripped off! we are buying the same art again! they fooled us again!"
 


DragonBelow -
There are quite a few fanboys out there that will buy up anything that WotC drops from its butt and call it a diamond. I believe however, the bulk of those folks inhabit the WotC boards more frequently than ENworld. WotC is going to make money, but the artwork is more of a personal thing than a must make it new thing. I actually know one of the artists working on the new edition (though I have not seen any of her work on it (NDA stuff you know)). She has a style that is her own, it isn't Easley it isn't Elmore and it isn't Lockwood.

More often than not, it's the artists personal style that alters the artwork and then the art editor sees this fresh perspective and goes - WOW! Now that's original and sticks it in the the book proposal. The company as a whole very rarely (notice I didn't say never) dictates a new style just for the sake of it, however, once that style is chosen, you can best believe they are going to support it until someone decides it isn't working.

Have you seen the new armored beholder? More than an amorphous flesh ball with eye stalks, it has armor plating and a look that screams pain. I have no idea whose concept that was, but I can guarantee that if I were the art editor, I would have chosen that one too.

Change is good, most of the time, but as far as your old minis are useless, I have yet to see that kind of sweeping statement from any official source, for that matter, D&D minis has very few banned minis from any release as far as tournaments go, a far cry from M:tG with decks worth of banned material. I think overall this is really a non-issue, but I fear there will be the "Uber - WotC - geeks" that will say exactly what your fearful first posts suggest. Oh well, ignore them and maybe they'll go away. :)
 



Thurbane said:
(The 3E tarrasque dopesn't look anywhere as cool as the 2E MM2 version - but then I'm a huge Jim Holloway fan :p )
RAAAAAAR!!!!
tarrasque.jpg
 

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