W'rkncacnter
Hero
not op but i didn't realize it brought you to the hook, apparently i can't read
Level Up (A5E) Unreasonable Price
- Thread starter FatPandaMonk
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This Effin’ GM
Hero
This gun doesn’t grapple people at all!
Even the gun doesn't want to deal with grappling rules on principle.
This Effin’ GM
Hero
Grappling Gun takes a drag off of a smoke in a dark room
"I was there for 3rd edition....."
VenerableBede
Adventurer
This is my only complaint about this gun. If you're going to include in the weapon description a rule that lets you attack people with the grappling gun, it would have been nice to be able to grapple creatures (or objects) and pull them toward you. That princess tied up behind the mustache-twirling bad guy? There's gonna be a little pinch, but in a second or two she's going to be in my arms...
So probably the closest comparison is the carpet of flying. For 20k, I can get a carpet with a fly speed of 50ft (25 ft base, and then if its just me its pretty reasonable to get the double speed boost, unless I'm massive or carrying a crazy amount of gear). You could also look at the 15k carpet for 30 ft speed, but less likely to get the double speed to 60.
This is completely at-will fly, does not require an action past the initial activation. I can stand on the carpet, fight on the carpet, haul loads with the carpet, etc
The 120 ft "speed" of the grappling hook is nice, but it consumes your entire turn (action + bonus action to real + reaction to get the hook back), it requires the destination not be blocked by total cover (unlike the carpet that could fly around as long as there is some opening), and the hook requires elevated surfaces, a carpet can go as high as I want. Oh and there is a miss chance, even a 13 AC is not an automatic success with an attack roll, even a high level character might have a 10-15% chance of failure.
So compared to a 20k carpet of flying, the 25k grappling hook is a very very poor deal in my opinion.
This is completely at-will fly, does not require an action past the initial activation. I can stand on the carpet, fight on the carpet, haul loads with the carpet, etc
The 120 ft "speed" of the grappling hook is nice, but it consumes your entire turn (action + bonus action to real + reaction to get the hook back), it requires the destination not be blocked by total cover (unlike the carpet that could fly around as long as there is some opening), and the hook requires elevated surfaces, a carpet can go as high as I want. Oh and there is a miss chance, even a 13 AC is not an automatic success with an attack roll, even a high level character might have a 10-15% chance of failure.
So compared to a 20k carpet of flying, the 25k grappling hook is a very very poor deal in my opinion.
FatPandaMonk
Villager
I agree. I am not saying it isn't cool, or that it doesn't do great things. Just that what it cost is weird. When a party would want it they cannot afford it. When they can afford it they have other options that may be better.
Faolyn
(she/her)
That's when they find it in the place or corpse they're looting, or given it as a gift.
Prices are not set based on the scarcity of other items in dnd, they are set based on the standard utility to a party.
the dm is welcome to adjust prices for their game, or make certain items harder to come by. But the standard price is designed so that one item of price x is going to be roughly equal to utility to another item of price x…it’s as simple as that.
in no scenario if both the grappling hook and the flying carpet were available at the same price, would I choose the hook…let alone pay more for the hook.
