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Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
Greetings and salutations.

Some have known me for years through thick and thin, others have met me as the officially un-official automated EnWorld greeting bot.

Today I start this thread for a link I stumbled upon that discusses the movie and television industries upcoming proposed productions in the wake of Mr. George R. R. Martin's "Epic Mini series", 'Game of Thrones'.

Referred to link here

I wish to know your thoughts on this, without any spoilers, if you please.

If there are any so crass as to give away content of any proposed or produced visual media listed, I humbly request the mods to loan me the Most Holy HAMMER OF BANNING That I may politely smite the cretinous scallywag
[*]
thoroughly about the head and shoulders.
[*] Ahem. Sorry for the strong language.
 
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Jhaelen

First Post
There's quite a few of my favorite novels on that list:
- Dan Simmon's "Hyperion"
- Iain Banks' "Consider Phlebas"
- Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash"
If done right, these three should be excellent; if done badly, I'd still watch them!

Also some classics:
- Larry Niven's "Ringworld"
- Isaak Asimov's "Foundation"
- Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light"
These are a bit trickier and will likely require a bit of updating the source material to be appealing.

Then there's a few that I consider very unlikely to be good, despite (or because of) the source material:
- Alan Moore's "Watchmen"
- Andrzej Sapkowski's "The Witcher"
- Robert E. Howard's "Conan"

And finally there are some that may become sleeper hits:
- N.K. Jemisin's "Broken Earth": I haven't read the novels yet, but they've been highly praised.
- Matt Ruff's "Lovecraft Country" sounds fascinating - never heard about it before, though.
 

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
so many I recognize, and I agree with your catagorization.

Especially Conan. Mako and James Earl Jones had the full hold on their plot points.
 

Deuce Traveler

Adventurer
I have no hopes for a good Conan, unless it has an 'R' rating and is directed by someone with a good track record for suspenseful horror and action shots. So yeah...

Good Omens could be a hit. I'm surprised the BBC never did a mini-series for it before.

Lord of Light is one of my favorite science fiction novels. The scenes are very fantastic and visual, so I don't think it would fit well as a TV series.

Snow Crash from Amazon? Oh god... the largely anti-technology Corporation book put to screen by one of the largest technological Corporations in the world? I expect either something quite meta or a watered down product.
 


Eltab

Hero
Asimov's Foundation Trilogy could make an excellent movie / mini-series. The director &c would have to stick to the themes the author developed, not what they think should have been written.
(Given the theme of social/technological decay and a potential 1000-year span for the whole series, the technology should look clunky.)

The last few Foundation novels Asimov wrote, had his IRL opinions slathered over them, and would go over less-well.

In Prelude to Foundation Asimov made Hari Seldon into himself, and tried to write a 'tie all my life's works together novel'. Hello, R. Daneel Olivaw under an alias, what are you doing here/now? This one I would support writing an improved version - still keeping within the larger themes being explored by the series.
 

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
Pat Rothfuss's Kingkiller Cronicles is getting a movie and Showtime series:

Patrick Rothfuss’ series The Kingkiller Chronicle will get an appropriately epic multimedia adaptation, with both a television series and a feature film exploring different corners of Rothfuss’ universe. While Hamilton‘s Lin-Manuel Miranda is hard at work on Showtime’s prequel series, a recent report from Variety provides an update on the movie side of things: Spider-Man and Evil Deaddirector Sam Raimi is in talks to direct the feature film adaptation of The Name of the Wind, the first book in the series.

https://www.tor.com/2018/01/29/sam-...ion-of-patrick-rothfuss-the-name-of-the-wind/
 

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
Pat Rothfuss's Kingkiller Cronicles is getting a movie and Showtime series:



https://www.tor.com/2018/01/29/sam-raimi-to-direct-the-film-adaptation-of-patrick-rothfuss-the-name-of-the-wind/[/QUOTE]

from your link I give the quote:

" .. .. .. .. .,. currently being written by Lindsey Beer, who served as a writer on Transformers: The Last Knight. Her other upcoming projects include the movie adaptation of Patrick Ness’ Chaos Walking (starring Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley), to be released in 2019, and a forthcoming adaptation of Dungeons & Dragons, projected for 2021."

the accented portions of my doing, they give me cause for concern
 

Cleon

Adventurer
" .. .. .. .. .,. currently being written by Lindsey Beer, who served as a writer on Transformers: The Last Knight. Her other upcoming projects include the movie adaptation of Patrick Ness’ Chaos Walking (starring Tom Holland and Daisy Ridley), to be released in 2019, and a forthcoming adaptation of Dungeons & Dragons, projected for 2021."

the accented portions of my doing, they give me cause for concern

I can understand your concern, the writer does seem a bit of an unknown commodity and the Transformers movies as hardly glowing examples of writing. Although in fairness, The Last Knight was one of the ones I couldn't be bothered seeing so I guess there's the possibility it was OK.

Curious, there's no Lindsey Beer listed in the writers' credits for The Last Knight on IMDB, but the Wikipedia version list her as one of the writers' room members.

The IMDB page for Lindsey Beer says she's only got one finished movie to her credit - namely Sierra Burgess Is a Loser. All the others writing credits are either still in production or just "announced" and seem to be pretty big productions - including Godzilla vs. Kong.

It inclines me towards a "wait and see" for these titles.
 

Tristissima

Explorer
Snow Crash from Amazon? Oh god... the largely anti-technology Corporation book put to screen by one of the largest technological Corporations in the world? I expect either something quite meta or a watered down product.

Ugh. Snow Crash ~ I mean, I'm still bitter cuz all my friends told me to read it cuz I love ancient Sumer and just, no. Just, no. Diamond Age, Or a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer, on the other hand ~ THAT I would 186% be down to watch obsessively. I will say, considering Neal's famous skills at ending his novels, the episodic TV series format might really work for his storytelling, mebbe better than the prose novel.

Asimov's Foundation Trilogy could make an excellent movie / mini-series. The director &c would have to stick to the themes the author developed, not what they think should have been written.
(Given the theme of social/technological decay and a potential 1000-year span for the whole series, the technology should look clunky.)

The last few Foundation novels Asimov wrote, had his IRL opinions slathered over them, and would go over less-well.

I will say, as concerns IRL opinions, I have some concerns about Foundation Trilogy's themes and how they would interact with the current sociopolitical landscape of the US. I found a good chunk of the series technocratic and elitist in a way that I've become sensitized to as Silicon Valley girl, born and raised. I could see the origins of what seemed a very dehumanizing, caste-based, unassailable/unquestionable, hierarchical/power-over government model that had been argued by some of my more engineering-minded friends in Asimov's world creation.

In the current climate, with so many of those friends (who are liberals, progressives, and libertarians) feeling free to throw around ableist and sanist slurs in description of Trump, as they did back in G-Dub's day, li'l ol' crazy anarchist me worries about throwing narrative energy into an idea like "psychohistory" and Hari Seldon's almost-Nietzschean ability to predict and (vaguely) determine future events by means of his intellect and reason.

I may not have communicated well ~ my apologies if my point wasn't clear. In addition, I have tried to leave some things out of this post to prevent flames. I am hoping that we can dig into the themes of the books (or not, if no one else is interested ~ is OK, too) and their reception in US culture without getting into complaining about each other's points of view...
 

jonesy

A Wicked Kendragon
The Foundation series also has the slight adaptation problem in that, while there is a ton of scenery porn, there's practically no action in the traditional Hollywood-sense. Every plot is resolved by a scheme, not by action scenes. Pretty much all battles are off-screen and ultimately irrelevant to the plot.

I fear a Hollywood adaption might turn into something resembling the recent Valerian movie, which looked really pretty and had lots of cool action, but very little else.
 

Eltab

Hero
I have some concerns about Foundation Trilogy's themes and how they would interact with the current sociopolitical landscape of the US. I found a good chunk of the series technocratic and elitist in a way that I've become sensitized to as Silicon Valley girl, born and raised. I could see the origins of what seemed a very dehumanizing, caste-based, unassailable/unquestionable, hierarchical/power-over government model that had been argued by some of my more engineering-minded friends in Asimov's world creation.

li'l ol' crazy anarchist me worries about throwing narrative energy into an idea like "psychohistory" and Hari Seldon's almost-Nietzschean ability to predict and (vaguely) determine future events by means of his intellect and reason.

I may not have communicated well ~ my apologies if my point wasn't clear.
In order,

In a later novel (forget which one offhand) an individual proclaims, "I'm not just a data point, you can't predict me!" Cut scene to a Hidden Foundation lab where some scientists are looking at a blackboard full of equations and saying "What do you think he will do?" "Now, you know that a sample size of one zaps the math."
Foundation's themes ought to interact not-smoothly with American society from any point of time. The point was that most people needed to be guided for their own good. It would be enlightening if the movie(s) showed some of the real-life tools to manipulate peoples' actions and opinion - from the traditional Mob visit wearing brass knuckles -to- a company planning out an advertising campaign -to- Government-sponsored propaganda efforts.

Asimov eventually states (in the prequel, iirc) that the end result of the Foundation will not just be an era of peace and prosperity under a Restored Galactic Government, he also reveals that the goal of the Hidden Foundation was to have its members as the unified galaxy's natural ruling class. There is a wide-open door right there to have a debate over how well / poorly that idea works out, with examples. But it may bore most audiences until the hero makes a Dramatic Statement to summarize his position.

You seem to be doing all right at communicating. If what I say wasn't about what you meant, it most likely means I don't get it ! :p
 

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
The Foundation series also has the slight adaptation problem in that, while there is a ton of scenery porn, there's practically no action in the traditional Hollywood-sense. Every plot is resolved by a scheme, not by action scenes. Pretty much all battles are off-screen and ultimately irrelevant to the plot.

I fear a Hollywood adaption might turn into something resembling the recent Valerian movie, which looked really pretty and had lots of cool action, but very little else.
I have a strange itching in my memory about the foundation series. Man, that coma and sickness has me really messed up!
 


Jhaelen

First Post
Stephen Erikson's Malazan series would be cool
I'm not sure you could turn that convoluted mess into a watchable tv show, to be honest. It's also very much over the top, so it would require pretty good and thus expensive special effects and likely be rated R, too.

Still, it would be nice, if they could pull it off, as that would relieve me from having to slog through all of the novels ;-)
 

Scott DeWar

Prof. Emeritus-Supernatural Events/Countermeasure
I'm not sure you could turn that convoluted mess into a watchable tv show, to be honest. It's also very much over the top, so it would require pretty good and thus expensive special effects and likely be rated R, too.

Still, it would be nice, if they could pull it off, as that would relieve me from having to slog through all of the novels ;-)

perhaps it could be a limited audience showing like on Netflix or showtime?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
perhaps it could be a limited audience showing like on Netflix or showtime?

At 150m households worldwide, I don’t think Netflix counts as a limited audience any more. In the last few years it’s grown into one of the most watched media outlets on the planet. Give it another few years, I reckon it will dwarf even the largest regular networks.
 

Hussar

Legend
I'm not sure you could turn that convoluted mess into a watchable tv show, to be honest. It's also very much over the top, so it would require pretty good and thus expensive special effects and likely be rated R, too.

Still, it would be nice, if they could pull it off, as that would relieve me from having to slog through all of the novels ;-)

Well, the first one was meant to be a pitch for a movie. But, yeah, I get what you mean by convoluted. There are just so many different stories mashed into the one series. Fun, but, yeah, it does get to be a slog and I've completely ignored the later books after the last one in the series.

On the plus side, at least it's finished. :D
 


Hussar

Legend
That's true.
IIRC, I stopped reading after the 4th novel 'House of Chains'. It's not that I disliked the novels, but it's really hard to get back into the story after a break.

Honestly? I found it MUCH better on the reread. Makes a TON more sense when you can read them one after another.
 

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