Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Cheiromancer]

I should have added not to reduce a god in status (except for the Greater God to Intermediate God transition).

Why not? Otherwise the divine ranks 13, 14 and 15 will be empty, as will 8, 9 and 10.

Or did you mean that reduction of ranks only applies to (some) greater gods?

And regarding SDA's; I'll have to go through the list more carefully, but already I can see a few that are more problematic than others. Like annihilating strike. Guess they'll be among the first on the chopping block!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Cheiromancer mate!

Why not? Otherwise the divine ranks 13, 14 and 15 will be empty, as will 8, 9 and 10.

Well Divine Rank 13; 14 and 15 will comprise the reduced Greater Gods.

Lets see what happens to the Asgardian Pantheon:

Odin DR19 (unchanged)
Aegir DR8 (reduced in status)
Balder DR11
Forseti DR10 (reduced in status)
Frey DR15 (reduced in status)
Freya DR12
Frigga DR14 (reduced in status)
Heimdall DR12
Hel DR12
Hermod DR 3 (unchanged)
Loki DR13 (reduced in status)
Njord DR8 (reduced in status)
Odur DR4 (unchanged)
Sif DR7
Skadi DR3 (reduced in status)
Surtur DR11
Thor DR15 (reduced in status)
Thrym DR11
Tyr DR12
Uller DR3 (reduced in status)

DRs: 3; 3; 3; 4; 7; 8; 8; 10; 11; 11; 11; 12; 12; 12; 12; 13; 14; 15; 15; 19.

Personally I think the top slots have too many good aligned individuals.

I would suggest swopping Loki and Frey as well as Frigga and Hel. Also perhaps increasing Tyr to DR14.

ie.
Loki DR15
Hel DR14
Tyr DR14
Frey DR13
Frigga DR12

I also don't like reducing Uller to Demigod. I would probably have him at DR9 to be fair.

So in retrospect maybe it is fairer to give blanket treatment of the -3 DR even if it reduces divine status?

Or did you mean that reduction of ranks only applies to (some) greater gods?

It should apply to all non-Pantheon Rulers in a tight Pantheon.

So it shouldn't generally apply to the D&D Pantheon. Though to be fair I would maybe reduce a few myself.

And regarding SDA's; I'll have to go through the list more carefully, but already I can see a few that are more problematic than others. Like annihilating strike. Guess they'll be among the first on the chopping block!

I have all the problem SDAs addended in the Immortals Handbook. Annihilating Strike was obviously top of the list.

 

[Necropolis]

Hi again upper krust !
you said Cr of 333 !!!
for what ?
maybe for the true arch angels ?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi again upper krust !

Hi Necropolis mate!

you said Cr of 333 !!!

Actually that was a Hit Dice of 333 I mentioned. Sorry for the confusion.

There is no base creature in the monster section beyond CR60 in the Immortals Handbook. Remember this is of course CR60 by my CR rules - not WotCs rules.

ie. A 320th-level character is CR60.

for what ?

Its actually for a golem (believe it or not); though that was among one of the monsters I am still working on so it could be subject to change.

maybe for the true arch angels ?

The 'true arch-angels' have Hit Dice akin to the hit points of 1st Ed. Solars (hows that for cryptic).

 

[Necropolis]

Hi again
what do you mean by this :
The 'true arch-angels' have Hit Dice akin to the hit points of 1st Ed. Solars (hows that for cryptic).
sorry for not understanding that man and can you tell me please about the true power of the " true archangels " what they can do and how much power they have compare to something else " dragons and undeads liches archdukes of hell and demon princes and so on ..."

and by the way are you going to give us a previes or a sneek peek from this product in the near future ? maybe in pdf with some artworks ?
thanks again man

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi again

Hello mate!

what do you mean by this :
The 'true arch-angels' have Hit Dice akin to the hit points of 1st Ed. Solars (hows that for cryptic).

They have 177 Hit Dice.

sorry for not understanding that man

Thats okay mate!

and can you tell me please about the true power of the " true archangels "

Well I may not detail the 'true Arch-Angels' in the Immortals Handbook since they are the Overgods of the Upper Planes. However, I will have the Seraphim in the IH who are the most powerful 'generic' angel.

what they can do and how much power they have compare to something else " dragons and undeads liches archdukes of hell and demon princes and so on ..."

Well lets see:

"...The mighty Seraphim, or Solar Dragons, are the grandest servants of good in the cosmos. The lofty ones sit atop the celestial hierarchy of the upper planes thought to reside in the highest of the Seven Heavens.
These titanic entities resemble immense dragon-like shapes formed of pure spirit energy writhing with an aura of holy fire. Each vast shape commands six wings; two of which are used for flying the others each act as a veil covering one of the Seraphims four esoteric heads. For it is said to behold one of their faces, even for an instant is to..."

How many Dragons; Archdevils; Liches and Demon Princes do you need disposed again? The Seraphim may send one of the weaker celestials to take care of them all.

and by the way are you going to give us a previes or a sneek peek from this product in the near future ? maybe in pdf with some artworks ?

I will have a preview and a web enhancement in due course - however, those will have to wait until Deities & Demigods enters the SRD.

thanks again man

No problem mate!

 

[Anabstercorian]

So, Satan would be a fallen Solar Dragon - An Eclipse Dragon?

Eclipse Dragon. That's pretty cool.

 

[Bjorn Doneerson]

Howdy-Ho, Sir Krustman! I'm not dead. I was trying to catch up with this thread and couldn't, so I skimmed some of it. So, some random thoughts and I'm sorry If I refer to something that didn't happen on this thread or if I say something that's already been said.

Seraphim: Cool!!!
I heard once that they cover their "feet" with their wings, but "feet" didn't exactly mean feet.

Cosmocrat: What is it? What does it look like and what is its purpose in life?

How much will the book set me back, cash-wise, and when, where and as what (title) should I look for it?

Way back, I was meaning to comment on that list of where you ranked certain gods, I'll try and dig that up and copy and paste it here, OK?

 

[Cheiromancer]

Seraphim: Cool!!!
I heard once that they cover their "feet" with their wings, but "feet" didn't exactly mean feet.

You probably don't want to catch a glimpse of THAT either.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi mate!

So, Satan would be a fallen Solar Dragon - An Eclipse Dragon?

Not necessarily. Lucifer would be a fallen Arch-Angel (the 'true' Arch Angels are slightly above the Seraphim).

Lucifer and Satan may not be the same being (at least thats how I advocate doing things).

Eclipse Dragon. That's pretty cool.

Funny you mention it I actually have Lunar Dragons in the Immortals Handbook.